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Old July 5th, 2015, 10:41 PM   #13221
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Old July 5th, 2015, 11:12 PM   #13222
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Cesky Tesin (CZ) from Cieszyn (Poland):
this is only one-way border crossing (from PL to CZ).
second Olše bridge is more to the east, and direction signs are almost non-existant, in both CZ and PL parts.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 07:28 AM   #13223
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this is only one-way border crossing (from PL to CZ).
second Olše bridge is more to the east, and direction signs are almost non-existant, in both CZ and PL parts.
Olza! Locals don't use the Olše name - it was "forced" on the area by the central Czechoslovak authorities. Cieszyn is beautiful, but Cesky Tesin is a wasteland. It's a common theme with Polish/Czech border towns - the Polish side tends to look a lot nicer than the Czech side.

Some Poles told me that it's because Czechslovakia located heavy industry close to the border, but I'm not sure if it's true or not.

I've found a nice little strange border crossing in Croatia that appears to be closed - https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2112...7i13312!8i6656

I'll go look next month, it seems to be yet another example of a location where the border really should be open.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 10:43 AM   #13224
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It has been quite sensitive story.....No need to open it.....Yes, locally the river name Olza is used....Cieszyn is definitely nice because of the fact that the historical center of the former common town is part of Cieszyn......Cesky Tesin is mostly a new town buit up after 1920. At the very beginning - there was just the important railway station on the railroad Kosice-Bohumin. However you can find some nice places in Cesky Tesin too as well - for example new town hall and streets buit up in 30s.....The whole region round Ostrava and Karvina /like Katowice/ has been based on coal mining and heavy industry........with all consequences....


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Olza! Locals don't use the Olše name - it was "forced" on the area by the central Czechoslovak authorities. Cieszyn is beautiful, but Cesky Tesin is a wasteland. It's a common theme with Polish/Czech border towns - the Polish side tends to look a lot nicer than the Czech side.

Some Poles told me that it's because Czechslovakia located heavy industry close to the border, but I'm not sure if it's true or not.

I've found a nice little strange border crossing in Croatia that appears to be closed - https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2112...7i13312!8i6656

I'll go look next month, it seems to be yet another example of a location where the border really should be open.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 11:11 AM   #13225
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Olza! Locals don't use the Olše name - it was "forced" on the area by the central Czechoslovak authorities. Cieszyn is beautiful, but Cesky Tesin is a wasteland. It's a common theme with Polish/Czech border towns - the Polish side tends to look a lot nicer than the Czech side.

Some Poles told me that it's because Czechslovakia located heavy industry close to the border, but I'm not sure if it's true or not.

I've found a nice little strange border crossing in Croatia that appears to be closed - https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2112...7i13312!8i6656

I'll go look next month, it seems to be yet another example of a location where the border really should be open.
I do not know when you've been to Cieszyn/Tesin last time, but currently anything out of the town square in Polish part of the town looks just ugly, really ugly. Last 2 decades made this place complete bucket of junk with poor modern architecture, no planning at all, thousands of shitty billboards and banners all over the place and dirty houses in the town centre. Cieszyn is slowly but steadily loosing its historical advantage over its Czech counterpart and my heart cries when I am walking from Tesin to the other side of the river. I would not recommend to visit this place to anybody, any more, as I used to do in the past.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 01:45 PM   #13226
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I hope that the law signed by Komorowski not so long ago about advertising will finally put a stop to the mess in Poland. It's the sole thing that makes CZ far superior to PL, and it strikes me every single time when crossing the border to anywhere that the problem is just out of control in Poland.

But Cieszyn is still very nice in general - it really has potential, but only if the Silesian provincial authorities wake up and actually get something done there. But I don't understand why the Czech authorities have allowed such a mess in Tesin - places such as Jablunkov and Trinec are quite nice (even with the heavy industry in Trinec), but Tesin is just a complete disaster, especially close to the train station.

Having said that, the border area around Karvina is very, very nice on both sides of the border. I'm very fond of the whole area stretching from Ostrava all the way down to the Slovak border, even with the heavy industry around.

Is there a name in Czech that broadly reflects the Zaolzie idea in Polish?
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Old July 6th, 2015, 06:00 PM   #13227
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Is there a name in Czech that broadly reflects the Zaolzie idea in Polish?[/QUOTE]

Nothing special...Zaolší or Zaolzí......The issue of Těšín /1920, 1938, 1945/..And in general - Těšínsko or Těšínské Slezsko for the whole region between Frydek and Bielsko (or at least for Zaolzie)...The fact is that Zaolzie is part of Karvina and Frydek-Mistek district (and sure City of Ostrava)....There was no one common district of Český Těšín....
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Old July 6th, 2015, 09:46 PM   #13228
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I've found a nice little strange border crossing in Croatia that appears to be closed - https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2112...7i13312!8i6656

I'll go look next month, it seems to be yet another example of a location where the border really should be open.
That's the border to BiH! It's not really surprising that it's closed... Like so many other local roads between former Yugoslavian states.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #13229
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this is only one-way border crossing (from PL to CZ).
second Olše bridge is more to the east, and direction signs are almost non-existant, in both CZ and PL parts.
Are there other one-way border crossings in existence?

I know this one, between Italy and Switzerland, but since there are two opposite one-way streets very close each other, it works as a two-lane street (even if the two directions have different street names).
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Old July 6th, 2015, 11:29 PM   #13230
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That's the border to BiH! It's not really surprising that it's closed... Like so many other local roads between former Yugoslavian states.
But look at it, it doesn't look like a typical "closed" ex-Yugoslav crossing. The BiH side has the town name, and there's a hut there with a Croatian flag. It looks rather like an ex-border crossing that's now been closed.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2106.../data=!3m1!1e3

Look here - you can see the BiH hut too. It looks clearly like the border crossing has been there at some point and now has been closed, but not so recently (the flagpole is rusted, so it's obviously been quite a while). There's something similar in Metković, so I wonder if there were many more HR-BiH crossings in the past that have now been closed?

Next mystery - where is this?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JmqGyILutS...0/DSC04771.JPG

It's apparently somewhere near Dubrovnik on the border with BiH, but it's not the Brgat / Ivanica crossing.

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Old July 6th, 2015, 11:48 PM   #13231
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i am almost sure that i saw Vám/Zoll border crossing Berzence/Gola with HR.

edit: i saw good.
https://www.google.hr/maps/@46.19485...7i13312!8i6656
Indeed it's not Carina on the sign ... good capture! Chances are the sign is still there for real (there are distance signs for Austrian towns still including "Vám/Zoll", 10 years after EU ascension).
Maybe there is a significant German population in this area (like around Pécs), therefore "Zoll".

So now we only need a counter-example of the other type ("Vám" in a sign of a neighbouring country).
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Old July 6th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #13232
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These 3 pics aren't mine, but I've recently crossed those 2 borders (between 2 sides of the new iron curtain):
The Lavoriškės (LT) / Katłoŭka (Катлоўка) (BY) border crossing, on the Belarusian side:



The Kamienny Łoh (Каменны Лог) (BY) / Medininkai (LT) border crossing: view from the Belarusian side over the Lithuanian one.
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Old July 7th, 2015, 12:06 AM   #13233
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But look at it, it doesn't look like a typical "closed" ex-Yugoslav crossing. The BiH side has the town name, and there's a hut there with a Croatian flag. It looks rather like an ex-border crossing that's now been closed.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.2106.../data=!3m1!1e3

Look here - you can see the BiH hut too. It looks clearly like the border crossing has been there at some point and now has been closed, but not so recently (the flagpole is rusted, so it's obviously been quite a while). There's something similar in Metković, so I wonder if there were many more HR-BiH crossings in the past that have now been closed?
Hmm, maybe the crossing is much older. Look a few pictures before: https://goo.gl/maps/4eZbx There are works on the booth but neither the booth nor the flag look new on booth pictures. And obviously it was already closed while there were works. Look at the plants on the bridge. The pictures were made in 2011.

The region around Velika Kladusa was some kind of special region back in war times since the local Bosniak leader there had a special agreement with the Serbs. Maybe it's an old crossing from those times with the Republic of Serbian Krajina and was closed later on by Croatia.

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Next mystery - where is this?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JmqGyILutS...0/DSC04771.JPG

It's apparently somewhere near Dubrovnik on the border with BiH, but it's not the Brgat / Ivanica crossing.
It's at Neum: https://goo.gl/maps/LC94h
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Maybe this is a stupid question as well, but I've always wondered - are there any bilingual Czech/Slovak towns/villages?
Nope, they are not, the Czech-Slovak country border is also strictly the language border. Btw, my friends in Silesia region use the name Olše normally, not Olza
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Nope, they are not, the Czech-Slovak country border is also strictly the language border. Btw, my friends in Silesia region use the name Olše normally, not Olza
Prague e.g.?

Btw. there are some bilingual-signs about toll obligation written both in Czech or Slovak.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 01:39 PM   #13239
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First motorway border crossing between Romania and Hungary opens on Saturday

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Some new pictures in an article in roumanian of the border crossing on the new A1/M43 route:









Opening on saturday, July 11.
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