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Old July 18th, 2015, 11:46 AM   #13301
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Speaking of which - I believe the old Horgos/Roszke crossing will be open from August 1st for EU traffic. They've apparently rebuilt both sides, and controls will be carried out on the "one stop" basis with joint controls.

I'm quite upset, because I wanted to go and see the old crossing in the derelict state Horgos in particular was really interesting as it was very much an old-style border crossing - much of what existed there hadn't been changed since the times of socialist Yugoslavia. Even the barriers were painted in Yugoslavian colours - I don't think there are any other examples left.

It has to be said - there are fewer and fewer old European border crossings left to explore.

Still, anyone that wants to see "how things were" should go to the old Rajka crossing on the SK/HU border. It's amazing how such a small crossing on the old road was enough for SK/HU traffic!

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Old July 18th, 2015, 12:00 PM   #13302
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Speaking of which - I believe the old Horgos/Roszke crossing will be open from August 1st for EU traffic. They've apparently rebuilt both sides, and controls will be carried out on the "one stop" basis with joint controls.

I'm quite upset, because I wanted to go and see the old crossing in the derelict state Horgos in particular was really interesting as it was very much an old-style border crossing - much of what existed there hadn't been changed since the times of socialist Yugoslavia.

It has to be said - there are fewer and fewer old European border crossings left to explore.

Still, anyone that wants to see "how things were" should go to the old Rajka crossing on the SK/HU border.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 12:05 PM   #13303
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yep. Did you see the sign there that mentioned CS? I've got a picture somewhere...
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Old July 18th, 2015, 07:09 PM   #13304
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The first 175 metres of the planned 175 km Hungarian southern border fence are completed. This is the "study section" with the 4 different candidate types of realization.

On Friday, a new record number of 1296 illegal immigrants were intercepted by police and civilian guard forces (thus there is even more of them as on the "green fields", not everyone gets caught).

Meanwhile, German Minister of Foreign Affairs de Maizière declared that as a German, he particularly dislikes fences, yet it is important that Hungary fulfill its obligation to protect the Schengen external borders. (With Germany a popular final destination for the illegal immigrants, he has every reason to have them filtered as far away as possible ...)





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Old July 18th, 2015, 08:22 PM   #13305
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German Minister of Foreign Affairs de Maizière
Unimportant for the topic, but: the minister of foreign affairs is Frank-Walter Steinmeier. De Maizière is the minister of domestic affairs.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 08:54 PM   #13306
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This sign is missing Serbian, Albanian and Arabic.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 09:14 PM   #13307
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Unimportant for the topic, but: the minister of foreign affairs is Frank-Walter Steinmeier. De Maizière is the minister of domestic affairs.
Right, I mixed those two up once again ... watching too little German TV ...

Concerning border fences, I wish we also heard more of the Saudi Arabian border walls on its borders with Iraq and Yemen. Those won't be three-meter tall garden fences, but real badass structures:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-out-Isil.html
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Old July 18th, 2015, 09:16 PM   #13308
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This sign is missing Serbian, Albanian and Arabic.
No, it's Hungarian, English and German. Maybe French, Dutch and Swedish are missing..... They want to see pics like this on TV.....
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Old July 18th, 2015, 09:36 PM   #13309
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Right, I mixed those two up once again ... watching too little German TV ...

Concerning border fences, I wish we also heard more of the Saudi Arabian border walls on its borders with Iraq and Yemen. Those won't be three-meter tall garden fences, but real badass structures:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-out-Isil.html
If they got the will ,not even Bush can stop them unless a huge coalition force is there....
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Old July 18th, 2015, 10:38 PM   #13310
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I hate the fact that this is necessary. I always resented the Americans for putting up that fence on the Mexican border. Now the same is happening here. Europe used to be about open borders and now because of that, other borders are being fortified. Well, I guess it has to be, although this fence will hardly stop anyone.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 10:41 PM   #13311
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Why border between Slovenia and Italy signals are not with EU flag?
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Old July 18th, 2015, 11:44 PM   #13312
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Because that's the border between Africa and Asia





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Old July 19th, 2015, 01:26 AM   #13313
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The first 175 metres of the planned 175 km Hungarian southern border fence are completed. This is the "study section" with the 4 different candidate types of realization.


In what voltage is going be the fence?
Any minefield before or after fence?
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Old July 19th, 2015, 02:59 AM   #13314
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Any minefield before or after fence?
Dude are you living in the cold war? They can't use landmines anymore due to some agreement.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 07:15 AM   #13315
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They can't use landmines anymore due to some agreement.
Unfortunately!

(but..well... whatever any agreement has done, another one can undo it, right ()?)





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Old July 19th, 2015, 01:07 PM   #13316
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I noticed above that someone mentioned that Hungary is an attractive destination - why so? Isn't it like Poland where welfare payments to refugees are minimal?
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Old July 19th, 2015, 02:19 PM   #13317
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Hungary is an attractive destination - why so?
Because the easiest way from the Middle East to Germany is through Hungary.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 04:30 PM   #13318
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Today I've heard an opinion that the fence is not human.

So, if so, a question should emerge
- is border crossing equipped by modern technologies between Finland/Russia, Poland/Belarus, Slovakia/Ukraine, Hungary/Ukraine human?
- is security check before getting on plane human?
- is perimeter fence in my garden human?
- is the entrance door to my apartment with advanced anti-thief lock human?

Or is this just double-standard topic.

I don't like barbed wire, neither Orban nor his policy but... Hungary is doing their best in security of outer Schengen border and are being criticized for doing that. It implies the best solution is to give up borders in general and let everyone moving around here and there. But then there should be a question arisen (concerning this thread). Does Schengen area have any sense then?

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Old July 19th, 2015, 04:46 PM   #13319
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The root of the problem is that the MENA region is more messed up than ever (which says a lot) and Europe isn't doing anything about it.

Sure, some Western opinion makers are putting certain labels on us, but in the end we are doing the necessary thing, the thing we have to do as Schengen members - we are in fact protecting them as well. Whether or not this requires a fence is another question. But imagine what would be their opinion if a riot like the one in Debrecen would have occured in e.g. central Brussels.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 10:03 PM   #13320
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Dude are you living in the cold war? They can't use landmines anymore due to some agreement.
First of all do not call me per "dude". Thank you.
Moreover you completely do not understand my previous post.

Btw, new cold war has just begun, but not only. There is also war of civilizations for some time.
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