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Old August 9th, 2015, 05:23 PM   #13421
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Too hot to go near Metkovic, so here are the results so far...

Kamensko - all documents being scanned on entry and exit. Not that slow, but still taking around 60-90 seconds per car.

Prisika - visual checks only on exit. No sign of anything being scanned, and the border seems relatively light. A new Schengen-compliant crossing is under construction on the HR side, ending the odd situation of having to drive for a couple of kilometres into BiH before encountering the BiH control. It doesn't look particularly big, so it might be a HR-only control.

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Old August 9th, 2015, 05:44 PM   #13422
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So you're on a mission to cross every single BC in West Herzegovina ha
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Old August 9th, 2015, 05:55 PM   #13423
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So you're on a mission to cross every single BC in West Herzegovina ha
Do you know if there's actually a crossing in Martin Brod or not?

I'm going there to see the waterfalls, but you know... always an excuse to look at the border too

Speaking of which, at Prisika, they have a cat that seems to be acting as the commander of the BC
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Old August 9th, 2015, 08:05 PM   #13424
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I have been to Martin Brod in 2012, and there were no border crossings.
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Old August 9th, 2015, 08:45 PM   #13425
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Eulanthe I have no idea but I think there should be a railway border crossing around there somewhere And yeah make sure you visit those falls on Una river and maybe some rafting afterwards who knows...
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Old August 9th, 2015, 08:56 PM   #13426
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Is Croatia still allowing only HR/BiH citizens at those crossings? For example Hungary and Serbia can't open a crossing that they would know won't get jammed because Hungary must allow EU citizens to use hence thousands of Turks from the EU will inevitably cause delays every summer. Ryanair should really start flying all over Turkey.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 01:36 AM   #13427
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Is Croatia still allowing only HR/BiH citizens at those crossings? For example Hungary and Serbia can't open a crossing that they would know won't get jammed because Hungary must allow EU citizens to use hence thousands of Turks from the EU will inevitably cause delays every summer. Ryanair should really start flying all over Turkey.
The only change since the 2013 agreement is that Gabela Polje is open for all international traffic now. This is the list - http://serbianna.com/blogs/michaletos/archives/1527 - local border crossings are only open to those that have passes (although from what I gather, the passes are given to anyone resident within the border zone, not just BiH/HR citizens).

The problem is that there are just too few international crossings. For instance, the crossing at Kaldrma really should be opened up to international traffic as it's a rather long way from there to an international crossing. I don't quite understand what the problem is - it seems to be connected to the border infrastructure and Croatia being unwilling to invest in them.

It seems that Croatia in particular wants to funnel international traffic through only a handful of border crossings. It's ridiculous.

Alex Trst - thank you! Google shows a road, so I'll go and explore... If there really is no crossing there, then it's sheer madness on the part of HR and BiH not to open up the area for tourism.

In respect to the H/SRB border - they have spoken about opening up more and more border crossings. There's already two new crossings in the last few years, but the opening hours on many crossings is ridiculous - only 7-19 in summer, which is a joke.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 01:59 AM   #13428
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And who qualifies for a local resident pass? 5 km? 50 km? 500 km? And are those resident passes checked regularly or someone from Zagreb can freely cross there.

Btw Croatia has 128 million EUR of EU funds at its disposal for border infrastructure development so I don't understand why would it be unwilling to develop the crossings when it would cost them nothing.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 02:28 AM   #13429
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Right now, those living 5km either side of the border can apply for such passes, although there's some tedious bureaucracy involved as well as a financial cost (30 Euro was mentioned, though I'm not certain of it). Croatia and Bosnia can agree to extend the zone to 30km either side under the terms of their agreement, though I think the EU can be asked to agree on a larger zone if it's justified.

Passes are checked - they are very, very clear on the matter. I tried last year at Gabela Polje and they were absolutely adamant that I couldn't cross, even when I told them that I wanted to merely go to the shop on the other side and that I'd return in 10 minutes.

Croatia and extra crossings - no, I don't understand why as well. As far as I understand it, Schengen law doesn't stipulate *how* a border should look - only that it should have certain facilities such as a place to conduct second line checks and detention facilities. All this could be achieved with a few portable cabins, especially if there are no facilities for importing/exporting goods.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 12:08 PM   #13430
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Border stone Italy-France at the Colle d'Etiache (2799 m):




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Old August 10th, 2015, 12:17 PM   #13431
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If there really is no crossing there, then it's sheer madness on the part of HR and BiH not to open up the area for tourism.
it is dead zone there, entire area was "abandoned" by local population during the war, so no one lives there anymore
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Old August 10th, 2015, 04:36 PM   #13432
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Horgos(SRB-HU) border crossing,last saturday

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Old August 10th, 2015, 04:51 PM   #13433
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For what it's worth, why is everyone using that crossing anyway?

There are some smaller HR/SRB crossings that never have any delays near the A3, and from there, it's pretty easy to head through Croatia towards Germany or to go up towards Osijek and into Hungary from there.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 05:18 PM   #13434
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I really don't know.
Most of this people are Turks and they got used to Horgos and Batrovci.
Maybe people don't want to experiment.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 06:47 PM   #13435
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Google shows a road, so I'll go and explore... If there really is no crossing there, then it's sheer madness on the part of HR and BiH not to open up the area for tourism.
I found these pics which should be that crossing. On the other hand, I remember from a long time ago (in YU-times) that there was a good road over here so I am not very sure.




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Old August 10th, 2015, 09:24 PM   #13436
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Horgos(SRB-HU) border crossing,last saturday

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For what it's worth, why is everyone using that crossing anyway?

There are some smaller HR/SRB crossings that never have any delays near the A3, and from there, it's pretty easy to head through Croatia towards Germany or to go up towards Osijek and into Hungary from there.
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I really don't know.
Most of this people are Turks and they got used to Horgos and Batrovci.
Maybe people don't want to experiment.
On last Friday morning I spent 2h on Horgoś2 to enter Hungary... just nightmare in the sunshine and 37-40C degree... Not sure if in Baćki Vinogradi was better...
but on Horgos1 (motorway border) was 5h waiting what I`ve heard.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 10:21 PM   #13437
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Palance - thank you, I'll take some pictures from there tomorrow!

SRC - where were you going to? 5 hours sounds about normal, though...
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Old August 10th, 2015, 11:25 PM   #13438
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Coming back from Belgrade/Beograd to home
If someone have EU/CH/FL/N/ISL or Serbian passport maybe better option is take Baćki Vinogradi border during summer (June - early September).

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Old August 11th, 2015, 12:43 AM   #13439
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The situation is really grotesque, legal residents and visa-free tourists waiting for hours to get into the Schengen space, while all those continent invaders ("refugees") just walk in across the green border.
I'm afraid the chicken fence in construction right now won't significantly reduce the flood without being heavily guarded. There have been first reports of illegals just cutting their way across it.
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Old August 11th, 2015, 01:42 AM   #13440
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Portugal (Valença do Minho) - Spain (Tui)

1-A3 (click here for the location)

P.S.: photo taken while i was being stopped by the portuguese police at the border!!

2-N13 (click here for the location)

P.S.:this is a railroad and a road bridge.
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