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Old August 11th, 2015, 02:04 AM   #13441
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P.S.: photo taken while i was being stopped by the portuguese police at the border!!
Did they give a reason? Or just a general (random) traffic control?
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Old August 11th, 2015, 11:12 AM   #13442
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Did they give a reason? Or just a general (random) traffic control?
They were only stopping portuguese vehicles at the request of the portuguese national survey organization (I.N.E.), that were realizing a survey of how much money the portuguese spend in Spain.

The funny part is that the portuguese drivers when saw the portuguese police and weren`t stopped didn`t care about the situation and began to accelerate away, the spanish drivers when saw the portuguese police almost all of them use their brakes!!
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Old August 11th, 2015, 11:18 AM   #13443
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spend all your money in spain
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Old August 11th, 2015, 05:15 PM   #13444
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spend all your money in spain
Filling the gas tank!!
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Old August 11th, 2015, 05:29 PM   #13445
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Say you have gone to hospital or any other services because it is better and nearer. Maybe they improve in that area.....
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Old August 11th, 2015, 06:23 PM   #13446
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there are plenty of spanish flags in valença do minho for that reason

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ra7NdVXMs9...1600/valen.jpg
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Old August 13th, 2015, 12:25 AM   #13447
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I went hunting for the best place to see the meteor shower tonight, and went to the Užljebic (HR) – Ripac (BiH) border crossing. The best place nearby was actually next to the BiH crossing - it's just two small huts and a couple of other huts used for storage, nothing more. It was dark, so I couldn't get a good picture of the place, but it was the kind of place where the border police and Customs were sitting around doing exactly nothing

The HR crossing is also very small (again, two small huts, but bigger than the BiH ones), but they're building a new crossing there too It doesn't look like the new crossing will be very big, however.

Passports were scanned in both directions when entering and leaving BiH, but no other documents were requested. It's true about the scanner problems - it took them about 90 seconds to scan two passports. It seems that Green Cards are no longer routinely asked for upon entry into BiH as well.

Croatia on the other hand was the usual these days - a bored look at the passport and stamps before being handed back. They did ask if I had anything to declare, but that was it. I declared a chair

The return was equally uneventful - another bored look at the passports by the Croatian police, while the BiH police were friendly. We parked up at the border crossing and watched the shooting stars - so it was perfect.
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Old August 13th, 2015, 12:52 AM   #13448
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How many times a year you cross HR-BIH border crossings? Seems like you become expert for those.
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Old August 13th, 2015, 01:28 AM   #13449
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It was dark, so I couldn't get a good picture of the place, but it was the kind of place where the border police and Customs were sitting around doing exactly nothing
It's right in the middle of nowhere

So, no luck at Martin Brod?
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Old August 13th, 2015, 02:36 PM   #13450
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It's right in the middle of nowhere

So, no luck at Martin Brod?
It's amazing! I want a job there, it seemed that they were doing nothing but drinking coffee and sitting around! It's a strange border on the BiH side though - three lanes are available in each direction, yet obviously traffic levels don't justify anything other than two small huts.

I've given up and decided to go to Novi Grad instead, as there's the possibility of some new stamps there It's too hot to do anything during the day, and there's no point going to Martin Brod at night.

Alex_ZR - I always end up going to Croatia/Bosnia/Slovenia on holiday, so annoying border guards in this part of the world is part of the holiday

Something else - I've got pictures on my wife's phone to upload, but I also visited the BiH side of Zeljava Air Base yesterday. No sign of any BiH guards, but the HR guards were around and making it very clear that you shouldn't even think about crossing there.
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Old August 14th, 2015, 12:55 AM   #13451
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Sadly, no pictures, but... I recommend that everyone should cross the border at Dvor (HR) / Novi Grad (BiH). It's possibly the funniest border crossing in Europe - the Croatians were sitting in their little huts bored out of their skulls (and barely looked at our passports), while the BiH policeman... well. He was sitting on a nice chair in the sun, playing with his phone and not even bothering to inspect anyone's documents to and from BiH. People were driving up and just flashing their documents on exit (he was sitting next to the entry lane), and he was barely looking at them.

In short, it might as well have been a Schengen crossing for how painfree it was. The BiH Customs guy was sitting around in the shade also doing absolutely nothing (and he wasn't even next to the crossing).

To show how lightly guarded the border was, people were actually swimming across the Una to/from Dvor na Uni - and no-one seemed to care less. It's such a different attitude there compared to the mess at Karasovici or Metkovic - and I'd say much more realistic too. No sign whatsoever of Croatian Customs - their huts were closed up and they were nowhere to be seen.

Sadly, no stamps this time round - the BiH guy didn't even have his stamp, and the HR guys wouldn't stamp my passport
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Old August 14th, 2015, 01:04 AM   #13452
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This lazy and easygoing attitude doesn't facilitate Croatia Schengen membership.
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Old August 14th, 2015, 01:11 AM   #13453
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In short, it might as well have been a Schengen crossing for how painfree it was.
alll border crossing were like this before croatia entered EU, now it is just torturing ppl.
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Old August 14th, 2015, 01:13 AM   #13454
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A little OT: The area on both sides of the border has a Serb ethnic majority.
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Old August 14th, 2015, 01:14 AM   #13455
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have Monaco and France ever had a road border post?
or was Monaco always like a neighborhood of Nice?
didn't it share a border with Italy before World War 2?

i'm exploring tiny-country borders in Europe
Andorra is quite visible and blocked by posts and gates
San Marino visible but unimpeded
now I was looking at Monaco while bored at my school
not easy to see the border without labels or street view
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Old August 14th, 2015, 01:20 AM   #13456
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Andorra has had always stone bounds or so. Borders have been quite clear as far as booth passports remains active (you have less than 1% of possibilites to be require to show it but they exist)


In Monaco... I really wonder the same thing. There are somewhere in Monaco where it is impossible to recognize the exact point when the country starts

but...
https://www.google.es/maps/@43.72693...7i13312!8i6656

right, main Monaco stadium (take the aerial view and guess why it is "not finished"),

left, a little French stadium. Two streets, each one in their country and a little "garden fence" in the bound
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Old August 14th, 2015, 07:38 PM   #13457
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Monaco - the stadium is built on a car park from memory, so they can't expand it further.

Anyway, latest report

I went to a place called Trzacka Rastela (BiH) near the Izacic border crossing with Croatia, which was one of the weirdest villages I've ever been to. I was taking pictures of the (closed) border crossing there, when some guy started shouting and telling me to go away. The whole village was completely strange...

Anyway, not my pictures (mine will follow), but here's two pictures showing the situation there.

Looking into Croatia



You'll notice actual barbed wire fencing there, which is a bit strange...

Looking into Bosnia



It's a very, very weird place. Everywhere else was really nice in the countryside all over BiH, but that village had a very aggressive and hostile feel to it. I don't know why - I don't photograph anyone or anyone's businesses, just the actual infrastructure.

After that, I went over to Izacic, which was predictably boring. 30 second delay on exit from BiH, but about 10 minutes delay entering BiH. Croatia - again - had bored border police that simply conducted visual checks on our passports. BiH border police were scanning every passport, but again - no requests for Green Cards, registration documents or anything of the sort. Does anyone know if BiH have implemented some deliberate decision not to check them?
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Old August 14th, 2015, 08:03 PM   #13458
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That location could feature in any Stephen King movie
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Old August 14th, 2015, 11:35 PM   #13459
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The town itself could easily be in such a movie

I've tried to find out about the history of that border crossing, but I can't find anything. There was a Croatian hut with a flag on the Croatian side, and a BiH flag and hut too - so it looks to me like this was yet another border crossing that was open at some point and has been closed, but I can't find out for certain.

(one day, I will learn the local language...)

On related news, it will be opened as an international border crossing later this year apparently
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Old August 15th, 2015, 12:03 AM   #13460
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The town itself could easily be in such a movie

I've tried to find out about the history of that border crossing, but I can't find anything. There was a Croatian hut with a flag on the Croatian side, and a BiH flag and hut too - so it looks to me like this was yet another border crossing that was open at some point and has been closed, but I can't find out for certain.

(one day, I will learn the local language...)

On related news, it will be opened as an international border crossing later this year apparently
That border crossing is closed for some reason. News about possibility of openning that border crossing:

http://www.slobodnaevropa.org/conten.../27179582.html

During the war, river Korana (and HR-BIH border itself) was border line of Republika Srpska Krajina and Muslim enclave territory, until August 1995.

On the Croatian side you can still see ruins of Serbian houses, since Kordunski Ljeskovac was Serbian absoulte majority village until operation Storm in August 1995 (2011 population only 19, in 1991 population 316).
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