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Old September 3rd, 2015, 06:53 PM   #13561
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PD: Now in Colombia they make endless lines to fill the tanks of the cars, because when the border was opened Colombian cars filled the tanks in Venezuelan gas stations (the cheapest fuel in the world).




Two things:

1) The lines were just in Cucuta, the border town.

2) There are no lines anymore, there were just the first days of border closing. Gas stations worked 24 hours a day to supply demand. The problem is there were only 22 stations for a city with 200,000 cars.



Venezuela is suffering more than Colombia with this border closing. Now their border towns dont even have diapers, and no way to get them in the colombian supermarkets.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 07:00 PM   #13562
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The truth is, Venezuela is almost irrelevant for Colombia now a days. It used to be the #2 trading partner, with exports from Colombia worth 7 billion dollars, now its just a fraction of that.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 07:20 PM   #13563
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Because nicolas maduro reached one of the lowest percentages of popularity and is afraid to lose majority in congress to the oposition, so he is trying to avoid the problems creating new ones. So he decided to "blame" colombians for the problems that chavismo brought to the country.
Be careful with what you say, here in Venezuela we're suffering so much smuggling and Colombian paramilitary and narcos are big part of the game with some Venezuelan thieves. Its clear that president Maduro had to closed the border before but the problem was bigger and it needed a big plan that required time, the other two estates that shares the border with Colombia are about to close it too, but Colombian responsability is stronger in the border with Táchira, Venezuelan responsability is stronger in the other two estates, where the same Venezuelan people are extracting the products and the fuel to the brother country.

Some media wants to create hostility between the two countries, but they won't succeed.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 07:22 PM   #13564
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Products priced way below the market value is usually a good incentive for smuggling. Fuel in Venezuela is not just cheap, it is ridiculously cheap. A tenfold increase in fuel price still means Venezuelan fuel prices are lower than nearly all countries.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 09:18 AM   #13565
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Because some Colombian and Venezuelan people smuggled basic products, fuel and even cash to Colombia, we're talking about 40% of the basic products of Venezuela. Also there was a paramilitary attack to Venezuelan forces in Táchira estate so the president decided to close the border and decree an emergency in the border towns, nobody knows when it's going to be re-opened, but Tachira's people wants it closed until february, so imagine the magnitude of the problem.

PD: Now in Colombia they make endless lines to fill the tanks of the cars, because when the border was opened Colombian cars filled the tanks in Venezuelan gas stations (the cheapest fuel in the world).
Maduro has a 70% negative rating in Venezuela right now because, between him and his predecessor Hugo Chavez, they have destroyed the economy in Venezuela with their populist Castroite policies and their non-sensical statizations/expropriations of the "socialism of the 21st dentury" that have resulted in constant attacks on the private sector, state intevention in the economy and destruction of productive forces that have led to hyperinflation. People have no food while Maduro's wife, Cilia Flores, struts around with a $4,500 Channel purse in true socialist hypocritical fashion. Thus, when drug-involved members of the Bolivarian National Guard and the Bolivarian Armed Forces got into a drug-related shoot out, Maduro saw an opportunity to stir up nationalis, a la Fidel Castro, by blaming Colombians, and distract attention from the crisis in which him, Chavez, the Castro brothers and the chavista narco-generals have sunk Venezuela. At the same time, Maduro is trying to pressure Colombia into not extraditing to the U.S. some narco-traffickers who intimately know the involvement of top Venezuelan government officials in the drug cartel de los Soles.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 02:01 PM   #13566
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Be careful with what you say, here in Venezuela we're suffering so much smuggling and Colombian paramilitary and narcos are big part of the game with some Venezuelan thieves. Its clear that president Maduro had to closed the border before but the problem was bigger and it needed a big plan that required time, the other two estates that shares the border with Colombia are about to close it too, but Colombian responsability is stronger in the border with Táchira, Venezuelan responsability is stronger in the other two estates, where the same Venezuelan people are extracting the products and the fuel to the brother country. Some media wants to create hostility between the two countries, but they won't succeed.
And which government supports the narcoterrorists?! Its not the colombians for sure
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Old September 4th, 2015, 02:42 PM   #13567
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I'll be glad to back to borders!!!!!!!!
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Old September 4th, 2015, 03:09 PM   #13568
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Well, question for you

Can you find any recent news about the works at La Linea on the Gibraltar border? I can only find quite old articles from May - what I'm trying to find out is whether or not the Spanish exit controls will actually be abolished, or if Spain will treat it as a serious external Schengen border.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 03:27 PM   #13569
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Nice question too....

I haven't readed anything related to that border, neither works, neither type of controls (changes since last years)
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Old September 4th, 2015, 03:47 PM   #13570
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Border crossing Horgoš II (SRB)-Röszke II (H) which was (re-)opened this summer is closed for cars since September 1. Only pedestrians, cyclists and working machines can cross it now, and only Serbian and Hungarian citizens (no rest of EU).
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Old September 5th, 2015, 03:24 PM   #13571
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What is new situation on border crossing Hungary/Austria at Nickelsdorf??? Yesterday border with Serbia was closed few hours due too asylum seekers from Asia what escaped from refugee camp at Röszke!! European leaders are directly responsible for the refugee crisis as they are fully complicit in the imperial wars of Washington that created the refugee crisis. To be clear, Europe has become nothing more than a vassal of Washington. Washington's military imperialism in the Middle East via proxies such as al Qaed, ISIL/Daesh and now Turkey is the direct cause of this tidal wave of refugees. Europe has been fully complicit and subservient. Did these European leaders think the refugees would land in Florida?
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Old September 5th, 2015, 03:30 PM   #13572
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Please keep the border crossings thread clean of this discussion!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1847058
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Old September 5th, 2015, 04:46 PM   #13573
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What is new situation on border crossing Hungary/Austria at Nickelsdorf???
I'll respond only the part of the question which is relevant for the thread.
That border station is currently closed for all traffic, except for refugees. From Hungary to Austria the recommended routes are either through Sopron or through Komarno (SK) - Bratislava (SK).
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Old September 5th, 2015, 06:11 PM   #13574
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I'll respond only the part of the question which is relevant for the thread.
That border station is currently closed for all traffic, except for refugees. From Hungary to Austria the recommended routes are either through Sopron or through Komarno (SK) - Bratislava (SK).
Both motorway and national road crossings are closed?

Is it closed on both sides, or only one side?

Speaking of Sopron, can anyone explain what exactly was going on at the old border crossing here?

https://www.google.pl/maps/@47.73993...!6m1!1e1?hl=en

Heading in the direction of Austria, you can see what appears to be two separate places to stop within Hungarian territory. It doesn't look like it was Hungarian and then Austrian controls (as you can see the Austrian controls in the distance) - so - what's going on there?

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Old September 5th, 2015, 07:00 PM   #13575
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Both motorway and national road crossings are closed?

Is it closed on both sides, or only one side?

Speaking of Sopron, can anyone explain what exactly was going on at the old border crossing here?

https://www.google.pl/maps/@47.73993...!6m1!1e1?hl=en

Heading in the direction of Austria, you can see what appears to be two separate places to stop within Hungarian territory. It doesn't look like it was Hungarian and then Austrian controls (as you can see the Austrian controls in the distance) - so - what's going on there?
I guess it could be the alignment of booths. Sometimes you need to place more booth than width of the road allows. In such cases you can create two or more rows. It is similar like checkouts in mall (e.g. Kaufland uses that alignment).
One lane in first row does not have booth but lead you further to second row where it branches out to more lanes with booths. The lanes from first row merges into single lane that goes through second row without booth.

Here is an example of putarina-station with such alignment near Beograd:
https://www.google.sk/maps/place/Po%...cc55ea!6m1!1e1
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The border station of Hegyeshalom were opened at about 6PM CET.
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Old September 6th, 2015, 03:24 PM   #13577
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I guess it could be the alignment of booths.
I thought that too, but I looked around and it seems that the first control (in the picture, direction Austria) was for Customs control, and the second for passport control. If you look on the asphalt, you can see the old "VAM/ZOLL" painted there.

It would mean that in direction Austria, you would first pass an exit Customs control and then identity control. In direction Hungary, you would pass the entry identity control and then Customs.

Weird to have two entirely separate areas rather than just one big hut.
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Old September 7th, 2015, 11:01 PM   #13578
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Slovenia left, Austria right

One more picture from my roadtrip this summer. Czech republic left, Germany right
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Old September 11th, 2015, 10:12 AM   #13579
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Border station Hegyeshalom (H) - Nickelsdorf (A) has been closed again.
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