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Old September 14th, 2015, 09:25 PM   #13601
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Now it's clear why Horgos 2 was shut down so soon after opening. It will be used as a registration point for refugees who want to enter Hungary legally by first registering as asylum seekers with police. It already began about an hour ago.

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Old September 14th, 2015, 10:33 PM   #13602
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A makeshift sign for migrants in Horgos/Horgoš, 3kms from the border:



...and this thing is meant to close the fence gap at the rail tracks overnight. It could have sprung from a Stephen King novel.



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Old September 14th, 2015, 10:51 PM   #13603
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Are there any more pictures of Horgos-2 available?

I'm trying to work out if there's anything intact from the old Hungarian/Serbian border infrastructure.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 11:32 PM   #13604
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Are there any more pictures of Horgos-2 available?

I'm trying to work out if there's anything intact from the old Hungarian/Serbian border infrastructure.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 01:02 AM   #13605
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Thank you Hungary.

Next stop Croatia...
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Old September 15th, 2015, 07:25 AM   #13606
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I've found a video of the crossing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsiJSKXjHqs

It looks like some of the old Serbian infrastructure might still be intact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhUOTvlkgfI

Also shows the old Horgos crossing. It seems that they may only have actually removed the signs from one side of the crossing - so it's possible that a lot has survived from the old YU crossing.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 10:28 AM   #13607
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Morocco, Spain in Badis (Pe˝ˇn de VÚlez de la Gomera), the border is a blue rope x)











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https://www.google.fr/maps/place/Pe%...394472!6m1!1e1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baMe-WJIzLw (2.38 : the border)
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Old September 15th, 2015, 11:23 AM   #13608
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Interesting, the immigrants are using the swedish/finnish border at Torneň to get to southern Finland.
At least 500 refugees arrived in Tornio and Finland yesterday (Sunday)
This friday stricter control will be introduced at the swedish/finnish border.

Yesterday around 500 asylum seekers arrived to Tornio in Finland and most of them want further south . They came from the Swedish side , where they often arrived by train through northern Sweden .
Now , From this friday Finland is planning to tighten border controls in the northern parts of the country because of the refugee crisis.

The flood of refugees to the western border continues
Tuesday, 09.15.2015 at 08.15
Six busses or 330 asylum-seekers were transferred to Finland from Luleň yesterday via Haparanda.
Most of the passengers on the six busses continued their journey to Kemi & Tornio.






It seems like the serbian/hungarian border at R÷szke is blocked now. Is this only temporary?


This morning some immigrants tried to get through by cutting the barb wire but they were arrested.

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Old September 15th, 2015, 12:03 PM   #13609
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I've found a video of the crossing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsiJSKXjHqs

It looks like some of the old Serbian infrastructure might still be intact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhUOTvlkgfI

Also shows the old Horgos crossing. It seems that they may only have actually removed the signs from one side of the crossing - so it's possible that a lot has survived from the old YU crossing.
For sure that yellow building on left is par tof the old building. I remember it, though it had a different colour I think.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 05:12 PM   #13610
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Thank you Hungary.

Next stop Croatia...
neah, no need for fences here. we have mine fields remaining from the war. so who wants, go ahead...
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Old September 15th, 2015, 08:57 PM   #13611
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The Velez de la Gomera has appeared some other time. It is the tiny border in the world.

The reason is, that rock was an island (therefore, no land border)

There is a second case like this one between Argentina and Uruguay
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Old September 15th, 2015, 10:57 PM   #13612
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better go via Bratislava?
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And buy Slovak vignette for 10 km?

I might drive through Sopron.
It is a piece of cake to go through Slovakia. I can provide you some help.

In case you want to spend some money for vignette* and you are approaching from Hungary, just go straight through all two interchanges (direction Brno - do not expect Prague). The same goes for the route back (just follow the direction Győr - do not expect Budapest).

- Here is the map

Attention! You are obligated to have the vignette as soon as you cross the border. There is a sale point at borders (marked in English last time I've driven by).

Bottlenecks:
1) lack of petrol stations: there are only three at that section.
2) police and speed traps: The general motorway speed limit is 130 kph, the general motorway speed limit within city is 90 kph. The build-up area of Bratislava is barely marked and you can overlook it easily. I am ashamed to say that police like to abuse it and penalize foreigners. It looks like this or this. The "city" is cancelled by this sign (you can carry on 130 kph beyond). Always take it seriously, if there is a reduced speed on motorway (especially set out by permanently posted signs).

If you want to go through Slovakia and avoid motorways (full map), follow these steps:
1. Leave Hungarian M15 at last exit towards Rajka,
2. Follow the direction "SK".
3. Do not get scared at old neglected Hungarian-Slovak border crossing.
4. Look out for "the great Bratislava concept" meaning that roads connecting rural boroughs are included in "built-up" area (regardless they are running across fields) with 50 kph limit, unless stated otherwise.
5. Carry on through Rusovce. Do not leave the main road.
6. Leave the road here.
7. Take a ride on motorway (free of charge) unless you are at 55 - Lamač exit. Exits are numbered in compliance with milestones you can pursue (descending in that direction) to calm you down and know how far you are from the exit.
8. There is a tricky roundabout on this place currently. Take the outer lane to avoid critical situation (even locals can't drive over).
9. Now pursue the road number 2. Do not leave the road at any intersection unless you enter "K˙ty". Do not enter the motorway you will cross several times. Watch out the speed limits. Watch out the wild animals (and drive carefully especially at night). The road is rather narrow with properties of secondary road, but is generally in perfect condition.
10. Pay attention once you are in K˙ty. Take the second exit from first roundabout in the municipality and keep left to turn left just after you pass the roundabout. The StreetView images are out of date for this municipality.

Road back is similiar with several principles:
1. Once you are in Bratislava, strive for getting to motorway (is free of charge).
2. Once you are on motorway and having crossed the Danube river, follow the direction Jarovce.
3. Once you have left the motorway, follow the direction Budapest/Gyor (it alternates in this direction).
4. Get back to motorway once you have crossed the border.

*vignettes


My personal opinion:
I would buy the vignette and take the as easiest way as possible. D2 motorway is in good condition (with some sections resurfaced in past months) and (unless extraordinary events) congestionless. The traffic is generally very low. The price for vignette is not high and worth avoiding unexpected events at Austrian borders. I've purchased 30 € Slovenian vignette this year just to avoid the Hungarian-Serbian border. I was angry at Slovenians, because the motorway section was ridiculously short, but it saves lots of time I would spend bitching in congestion at H/SRB border crossing.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 10:57 PM   #13613
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neah, no need for fences here. we have mine fields remaining from the war. so who wants, go ahead...
Your good friends in Serbia have begun directing buses to the Croatian border.

Expect unexpected visitors in the morning

.... Which makes me wonder why Austria has set up border control at the Hungarian border.... My guess is that Merkel's gift to European civilization will show up at their Slovenian border before long.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 11:13 PM   #13614
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Morocco, Spain in Badis (Pe˝ˇn de VÚlez de la Gomera), the border is a blue rope x)
How come migrants scale the Melilla fence when they can just cross this little rope instead?
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Old September 15th, 2015, 11:36 PM   #13615
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My personal opinion:
I would buy the vignette and take the as easiest way as possible. D2 motorway is in good condition (with some sections resurfaced in past months) and (unless extraordinary events) congestionless. The traffic is generally very low. The price for vignette is not high and worth avoiding unexpected events at Austrian borders. I've purchased 30 € Slovenian vignette this year just to avoid the Hungarian-Serbian border. I was angry at Slovenians, because the motorway section was ridiculously short, but it saves lots of time I would spend bitching in congestion at H/SRB border crossing.
Try this one, next time. No more than 5 minutes waiting in high season..
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Old September 16th, 2015, 12:07 AM   #13616
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Can anyone give me some advise, as I am planning to drive from Poland to Budapest via Slovakia/Czech latter this week, and don't want to get stuck for hours at internal EU borders . Are there permanent border controls on this route?
Also, afterwards from Budapest to Southern Austria? What is the best route for now in terms of delays?
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Old September 16th, 2015, 12:13 AM   #13617
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How come migrants scale the Melilla fence when they can just cross this little rope instead?
This little place is not really connected to continental spain, there is 3-4 buildings, only soldiers so ...
But Ceuta or Mellila are hubs, with port and large relations (boats etc) with Spain
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Old September 16th, 2015, 12:14 AM   #13618
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The Velez de la Gomera has appeared some other time. It is the tiny border in the world.

The reason is, that rock was an island (therefore, no land border)

There is a second case like this one between Argentina and Uruguay
It's only 87 m
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Old September 16th, 2015, 12:20 AM   #13619
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How come migrants scale the Melilla fence when they can just cross this little rope instead?
It is not easy to entry there even with passport (or Spanish ID).
It is a military area, quite small, but kept.

I have read some travel blogs and sometimes I read it wasn't able to get into there even being Spanish, other times someone has been allowed to stay in the entrance (neither there, nor in other corner, anyone will be allowed to remain in an army area).

It is not a touristic resort at all but just these kind of tourists who travel around anywhere, if passed near there, have written about it
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Old September 16th, 2015, 12:54 AM   #13620
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But it wouldn't be accepted to claim asylum in Spain to those soldiers?
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