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Old September 16th, 2015, 01:59 AM   #13621
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Can anyone give me some advise, as I am planning to drive from Poland to Budapest via Slovakia/Czech latter this week, and don't want to get stuck for hours at internal EU borders . Are there permanent border controls on this route?
Also, afterwards from Budapest to Southern Austria? What is the best route for now in terms of delays?
As far as I know, the SK police are controlling (or at least monitoring) the crossing in Rajka (SK/H near Bratislava), but there are no reports of systematic controls or delays. PL-CZ/SK is open and without control.

Afterwards - should be painless if you cross near Szombathely.

As for that little bit of Spain and migrants - I think it's pretty obvious that if anyone turned up there trying to claim asylum, they would be "invited" to go back to Morocco by the Spanish army.

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Old September 16th, 2015, 06:14 AM   #13622
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There is lots of this around the world... here`s one near me... they changed sign from 80 km/h to 60 km/h and put a pointless solid line! I want to drive 110
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Old September 16th, 2015, 09:00 AM   #13623
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As far as I know, the SK police are controlling (or at least monitoring) the crossing in Rajka (SK/H near Bratislava), but there are no reports of systematic controls or delays. PL-CZ/SK is open and without control.

Afterwards - should be painless if you cross near Szombathely.

As for that little bit of Spain and migrants - I think it's pretty obvious that if anyone turned up there trying to claim asylum, they would be "invited" to go back to Morocco by the Spanish army.
Slovak police make some spot controls also with Austria.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 10:57 AM   #13624
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Austria will introduce controls at the borders to Hungary, Italy, Slovenia and Slovakia.

They already began nonstop** border controls at Nickelsdorf, Deutschkreuz and Schachendorf this morning 7AM, see press release.

Border controls are also planned at Kittsee, Pamhagen, Klingenbach, Rattersdorf, Heiligenkreuz and Bonisdorf.

**It's officially called temporary controls. I also read that controls are "durchgehend" which should be translated "nonstop" not "permanent".
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Old September 16th, 2015, 07:02 PM   #13625
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Roszke-Horgos has apparently been shut for 30 days, but I'm guessing it's Roszke-Horgos 2 that's closed and not the main motorway connection.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 07:24 PM   #13626
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I predict there won't be a tripoint party this year

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Old September 16th, 2015, 07:31 PM   #13627
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I predict there won't be a tripoint party this year

who knows what will be in late May 2016...
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Old September 16th, 2015, 07:34 PM   #13628
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Slovak police make some spot controls also with Austria.
They focus only on suspicious vans that can carry illegals. Passenger cars are not the subject of controls.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 08:12 PM   #13629
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The same is reported about the border b/n Austria and Germany. Passenger cars with German number plates and only one person on board are not controlled.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 08:21 PM   #13630
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But Germans of a certain age know best how to hide people under the car!
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Old September 16th, 2015, 08:37 PM   #13631
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Thank you for your responses.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 08:56 PM   #13632
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How come migrants scale the Melilla fence when they can just cross this little rope instead?
They cannot. They wouldn't be considered as inmigrants, neither in that rock, neither in other islands.

I am not sure if this island will be accepted as "inmigration"

Why?... Answer will not be about border but about national territory organization. A huge off-topic



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This little place is not really connected to continental spain, there is 3-4 buildings, only soldiers so ...
But Ceuta or Mellila are hubs, with port and large relations (boats etc) with Spain
They have a helicopter base and they are connected with Melilla (Velez de la Gomera)

Anyway, for inmigrants entering Ceuta or Melilla have not easy to arrive Europe. There is no passport control but if you are going to get an airplane (from Melilla, Ceuta hasn't airport), you know you may show your passport to the company and for ferries, the same case (in case of fatality they wanna know who is on board).
Therefore, for police it is quite easy to know who is travelling. No physical controls but all is digitally controlled
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Old September 16th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #13633
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I watched at Reuters tv today showing the HU/AT border. They really checked mostly van.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 09:03 PM   #13634
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Slovak police make some spot controls also with Austria.
On the other hand, why is Slovakia, Poland, Slovenia, etc. well "poor and still in development" EU countries so afraid that some refugees pass through their territory from Hungary, after all they are leading and stay "on course" to Germany/Scandinavia, well "rich" Western European nations that "openly" are embracing and inviting them ?
According to an interview, standards and quality of life in those countries are too low for the expectations of these refugees; even Greece where many have already transited is "such a poor country and in economical crisis". In reality, no one wants to stay in those EU countries, even the locals are massively leaving (per ex., Poland had millions of economical migrants in the last decade) .

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/p...tment-refugees
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Old September 16th, 2015, 09:09 PM   #13635
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I think that those controls are just to show some muscles for the local public and to "protect" Schengen from the "barbarian horde".
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Old September 16th, 2015, 09:10 PM   #13636
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On the other hand, why is Slovakia, Poland, Slovenia, etc. well "poor and still in development" EU countries so afraid that some refugees pass through their territory from Hungary, after all they are leading and stay "on course" to Germany/Scandinavia, well "rich" Western European nations that "openly" are embracing and inviting them ?
According to an interview, standards and quality of life in those countries are too low for the expectations of these refugees; even Greece where many have already transited is "such a poor country and in economical crisis". In reality, no one wants to stay in those EU countries, even the locals are massively leaving (per ex., Poland had millions of economical migrants in the last decade) .

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/p...tment-refugees
I think it is obvious: according to the experiences from Hungary, the influx of refugees leads to chaos at motorways, at railway station, at railways, at borders nobody wants.

Everybody know that zero refugees would stay in Slovakia. It has been told hundred times: quotas won't work with Schengen.
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why is Slovakia, Poland, Slovenia, etc. well "poor and still in development" EU countries so afraid that some refugees pass through their territory from Hungary, after all they are leading and stay "on course" to Germany/Scandinavia
Because Germany could introduce border controls at the Polish and Czech border too and refugees would be stranded there.... Hungry and ill.... Germany does not allow crossing the border if one has no passport....
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Old September 16th, 2015, 09:17 PM   #13638
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Because Germany could introduce border controls at the Polish and Czech border too and refugees would be stranded there.... Hungry and ill.... Germany does not allow crossing the border if one has no passport....
German already set up some controls on borders with CZ. I saw 2 German policemen today at the border Bad Schandau - Hrensko. They also told it on German radio.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 09:17 PM   #13639
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Wow.

It seems that I was wrong - Horgos/Roszke (the motorway crossing) has been shut.



Hungarian police are saying that both Roszke crossings are indefinitely closed. I'm shocked - as far as I know, even during the Kosovo War, the border was never closed.

http://www.police.hu/hirek-es-informaciok/hatarinfo

Ásotthalom - Backi Vinogradi has also been closed, but that hasn't been reported anywhere.
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Old September 16th, 2015, 09:20 PM   #13640
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Because Germany could introduce border controls at the Polish and Czech border too and refugees would be stranded there.... Hungry and ill.... Germany does not allow crossing the border if one has no passport....
I already heard that one, from a Polish politician. But, it's Germany "Angie" who is "inviting" them and even gave a projected quota of 800'000 warm welcoming of "refugees" for this year only; closing the intra-Schengen border after that would be schizophrenic IMO .
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