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Old September 29th, 2015, 01:41 AM   #13801
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Something slightly interesting - I notice that both Norway and Sweden have been significantly beefing up their border crossings.

I'll post more later, but have a look at this - https://www.google.pl/maps/@59.10811...8i6656!6m1!1e1
It's probably for custom checks, rather than immigration.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 07:23 AM   #13802
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This forum is a perfect source of information. When I drove to CZ last weekend the first site to get information was this forum. I also provided some information for other users in case they follow my route or in case they want to avoid driving through Austria.

Sprinkling this topic with little politics (you actially can't avoid) is not a crime. I saw no hatespeech on this forum at all. Just constructive discussion.
The signal to noise ratio of the recently killed 'Schengen area' thread was low. About 95% of the stuff was just bullshit. Why to spread it everywhere?
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Old September 29th, 2015, 07:31 AM   #13803
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It's probably for custom checks, rather than immigration.
Exactly. It is good to understand that while Norway is part of the Schengen area, it still is not a member to the EU. The customs operations apply.

The Finnish/Norwegian customs office at Kilpisjärvi on E8 is planned to be rebuilt. The number of transactions well exceed the capacity of the existing setup.

http://www.ely-keskus.fi/documents/1...6-68dc0d37f427
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Old September 29th, 2015, 08:49 AM   #13804
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Something slightly interesting - I notice that both Norway and Sweden have been significantly beefing up their border crossings.

I'll post more later, but have a look at this - https://www.google.pl/maps/@59.10811...8i6656!6m1!1e1
In addition to what italystf and MattiG already said, the booths on the opposite side are neither for border nor customs control, but for the bridge toll.

The Google picture is one year old anyway and of course has nothing to do with the recent crisis.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 09:58 AM   #13805
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In addition to what italystf and MattiG already said, the booths on the opposite side are neither for border nor customs control, but for the bridge toll.

The Google picture is one year old anyway and of course has nothing to do with the recent crisis.
The Norwegian/Swedish Customs Controls in Svinesund is located at the exit 1 of E6 on the Norwegian side 2 km to the north of the border.

https://www.google.fi/maps/@59.10501...8i6656!6m1!1e1

The Norwegian customs offices at the borders to Sweden and Finland are joint operations: Either of the two countries are responsible for the real estate, but they are manned by authorities from both countries.

In sparsely populated areas, the customs offices may be contact points for many tasks. For example, the Kilpisjärvi customs office is located in the popular hiking area close to the FIN-S-N tripoint. In addition to the their official duties, the staff gives a lot of guidance to tourists, and rents keys to the wilderness huts in Norway.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 12:17 PM   #13806
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It's probably for custom checks, rather than immigration.
Yes, it is. But the Norwegian border crossings are being expanded in general.

Look at this one https://www.google.fi/maps/@59.48736...7i13312!8i6656 - it seems small, doesn't it?

But the new station - http://ntsped.com/images/more/orjetollst_med_e18.jpg - is much bigger. It seems that Norway is building new infrastructure that will allow them to divert all traffic through the Customs station - not 24/7, but rather on a random basis.

In comparison, Sweden seems to care far less - https://www.google.fi/maps/@59.50186...7i13312!8i6656
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Old September 29th, 2015, 03:12 PM   #13807
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Yes, it is. But the Norwegian border crossings are being expanded in general.

Look at this one https://www.google.fi/maps/@59.48736...7i13312!8i6656 - it seems small, doesn't it?

But the new station - http://ntsped.com/images/more/orjetollst_med_e18.jpg - is much bigger. It seems that Norway is building new infrastructure that will allow them to divert all traffic through the Customs station - not 24/7, but rather on a random basis.

In comparison, Sweden seems to care far less - https://www.google.fi/maps/@59.50186...7i13312!8i6656
The Hån customs office of Sweden lies on the old section of E18 and it will be replaced by a new one on E18 close to the border. The new one will be larger than the current one on the Norwegian side.

The Norway/Sweden border really is the outer perimeter of the EU Customs Area. Virtually all cargo traffic stops there. It is rather natural to have an area large enough to host the trucks.

Perhaps you need to find the conspiracy somewhere else.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 10:43 PM   #13808
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The Hån customs office of Sweden lies on the old section of E18 and it will be replaced by a new one on E18 close to the border. The new one will be larger than the current one on the Norwegian side.

The Norway/Sweden border really is the outer perimeter of the EU Customs Area. Virtually all cargo traffic stops there. It is rather natural to have an area large enough to host the trucks.

Perhaps you need to find the conspiracy somewhere else.
What conspiracy theory? It's just an interesting sidenote that Norway is expanding their Customs facilities to modern standards. The design is interesting - they're able to route everyone through the Customs sheds, or they can pull cars in at random - and you can see from Street View that they're completely equipped for doing searches. It's a big difference from the older crossings where the design on the Norwegian/Finnish/Swedish borders were pretty similar.

It has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that it's border infrastructure. No conspiracies here
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Old September 30th, 2015, 10:14 PM   #13809
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It was totally hopeless before on E18, absolutly no space for waiting trucks, creating jams for everybody else, it's been the same on E6 due to shortage of customs staff, trucks would line up for several km before the border - it is better now that staff increased. (Infrastructure is unchanged on E6 since 05.)
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Old September 30th, 2015, 11:42 PM   #13810
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For those interested in border infrastructure, you can now see the new infrastructure at La Linea on the Spain/Gibraltar border.

https://www.google.pl/maps/@36.15610...!6m1!1e1?hl=en

It's interesting if you look back to 2008/9 and see how the area has been developed. I'm still trying to find out what the changes are, but Spain appears to have more or less abandoned exit checks while actually strengthening entry controls. In particular, seemingly Spain is now conducting passport checks on everyone that crosses into Spain - which is a dramatic change from how it was when I was there a few months ago.
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Old October 1st, 2015, 08:32 AM   #13811
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2015-03-12 drive-lapse from Muang Xay to Puer

http://youtu.be/6qYe345aja0

Laos–China border crossing 20:38–24:58

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Old October 4th, 2015, 11:05 PM   #13812
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Yesterday I did a daytrip to Rijeka, Croatia.
At the I-SLO border at Pesek there was no police at all.
At the SLO-HR border at Pasjak controls were regular, no queues or chaos. Since Croatia joined EU in 2013, controls are performed only on the Slovenian side. We give IDs to the police officer, he quickly opened it and looked if photos matched with our faces, gave them back and let us go. It took maybe 20 seconds.
On the way back, we handed our IDs to the officer, but he gave them back to us without even looking at them! I don't think that is legal.
Entering Italy from Slovenia, we didn't see any police again.
Another weekend... another international road trip for me
This time I did a 3-days road trip to Austria, via the A23-A2 border crossing. No controls at all, nor police in sight in both directions. Firstly I visited Graz, beautiful city, then I drove to a village in Burgenland where an acquiatance of me lives. I drove a couple of kilometers into Hungary, through a local border crossing. Again, there was nobody controlling it.
A friend of mine arrived to Vienna from Italy by train a couple of days ago. Vienna station was full of migrants but trains still arrived and departed on time without disruptions for travellers. He wasn't controlled at the border either.
Schengen is not dead yet, and apart some "problematic" crossings on the migrant route where systematic controls, delays and even temporary closures may occur, I guess that international traffic continues like before in 95% of the continent. Hopefully the migrant crisis will only challenge the Schengen system but not destroy it!
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Old October 4th, 2015, 11:24 PM   #13813
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http://youtu.be/6qYe345aja0

Laos–China border crossing 20:38–24:58
amazing stuff! is that your video?
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Old October 4th, 2015, 11:24 PM   #13814
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Funny, I was considering a trip to Vienna today
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Old October 5th, 2015, 09:57 AM   #13815
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amazing stuff! is that your video?
Yes.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 12:20 PM   #13816
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I see that they let them film you the border controls without issues.
Here, everyone will virtue you how "free" we are, but I remember a few years ago, when driving to Poland from Germany/Czech, I had a windshield mounted cam: the Polish border officers were really nasty and paranoids about this, and threaten to confiscate it, sometime even to arrest, often pushed further controls .
I am curious how is it now with this issue on the Outer Schengen border, can you film it while passing it?

Anyway, nice vid . And very chaotic situation on the China-Laos border, where everyone must find his way out to sneak between vehicles and pedestrians, on/off-road .
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Old October 5th, 2015, 06:50 PM   #13817
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Thanks for the video. I think it is the craziest border recorded here
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Old October 5th, 2015, 07:53 PM   #13818
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I am curious how is it now with this issue on the Outer Schengen border, can you film it while passing it?
I recorded numerous times Romania/Hungary border (both ways), at 3 different border crossing and I had no problems.

I also recorded Romania/Serbia border (both ways) without any problems.
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if I'm not wrong , at least at my "nearest" land checkpoint, it's a security risk to film the internal workings of the checkpoint, so much so there's a signage saying that it's prohibited. But for dashcam , I believe my country's border's authority is quite liberate with it...
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Yes.
can you explain a little bit procedure for Laotians or Chinese for crossing the border? how long does it take, do you need some special documents, visa or something?
sorry for such questions, but this is really cool and exotic to most of the people here
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