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Old October 30th, 2015, 10:30 AM   #13921
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Then you have narrow high altitude pass roads that are tolled and terribly expensives for God knows what reason
Because that reduces the traffic in high alpine areas. Sounds like a reason.
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Old October 30th, 2015, 11:53 AM   #13922
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Then you have narrow high altitude pass roads that are tolled and terribly expensives for God knows what reason
Probably because they are touristic and they want to milk some more money. Not sure if all, but some are also private roads, for example the Großglockner alpine pass.

A similar example is in Germany, in Bavaria, the B999, which actually to be on topic, also enters Austria.
There are no signs for that, but there also no road connections to Austria there.
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Old October 30th, 2015, 01:43 PM   #13923
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Minor border post between Argentina and Chile at Paso Pircas Negras

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Old October 30th, 2015, 10:00 PM   #13924
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Because that reduces the traffic in high alpine areas. Sounds like a reason.
You might be right that this surely sound like a big "motivator" not to use these roads .
Anyhow, when you see that in fact the main alpine road axis highway are "only" used on average by 8'000 vehicles daily (tunnels mostly) - less than a small's city main street - you can seriously ask yourself what real impact have these small alpine roads paths - which btw., are very abundant and totally free in Switzerland - with "only" a few hundred traffic daily? To "protect" what exactly ?
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Old October 31st, 2015, 12:14 AM   #13925
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A similar example is in Germany, in Bavaria, the B999, which actually to be on topic, also enters Austria.
There are no signs for that, but there also no road connections to Austria there.
Location: https://www.google.it/maps/@47.6240595,13.0921828,14.5z
That's interesting, it's one of the few extra-territorial roads in existence, without connections to the other country's network. I wasn't aware of it.
It's the same on OSM, for those who don't trust GM's level of accuracy regard borders.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/47.6242/13.0902
I wonder if the border is visible at least due to border stones, if not signs.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old October 31st, 2015, 12:16 AM   #13926
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You might be right that this surely sound like a big "motivator" not to use these roads .
Anyhow, when you see that in fact the main alpine road axis highway are "only" used on average by 8'000 vehicles daily (tunnels mostly) - less than a small's city main street - you can seriously ask yourself what real impact have these small alpine roads paths - which btw., are very abundant and totally free in Switzerland - with "only" a few hundred traffic daily? To "protect" what exactly ?
"Prevent traffic" is just a politically-acceptable way to collect money from tourists.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old October 31st, 2015, 02:45 AM   #13927
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Location: https://www.google.it/maps/@47.6240595,13.0921828,14.5z
That's interesting, it's one of the few extra-territorial roads in existence, without connections to the other country's network. I wasn't aware of it.
It's the same on OSM, for those who don't trust GM's level of accuracy regard borders.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/47.6242/13.0902
I wonder if the border is visible at least due to border stones, if not signs.
Border stones are present on walking path beside the road.
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Old November 1st, 2015, 06:46 PM   #13928
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Border stones are present on walking path beside the road.
I was there 2 month ago...
Interesting photos..thanks. Any chance of any photos that show the border markings and some of the road so we can see the context of how the road and the border stones relate to one another. Looking at the maps, it seems as though the road crosses the border a number of times before reverting back to being within Germany. Is the border along a height of land that the road traverses across a number of times.

Once again thanks for the photos of a place many of us have never been to.
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Old November 1st, 2015, 06:54 PM   #13929
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The maximum altitude is 1,570m. Maximum rise is 13%. Construction works began in 1938... Please refer to de.wikipedia.org and wikimapia.org.
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Old November 1st, 2015, 09:22 PM   #13930
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I didn't get to edit that album yet, I am still much behind after my recent travels
I will post a link here with it when I have the pictures up.
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 12:38 AM   #13931
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So here it is
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Old November 4th, 2015, 02:04 AM   #13932
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Someone changed the standard Czech border sings on the border with Poland to signs that bear: "Czech Republic, Here ends the European Union, you are entering the territory of a sovereign state" And they added the Czech coat of arms lion.

Probably the same group also painted "Germany" in Arabic on some signposts directing towards the German border.
http://liberec.idnes.cz/foto.aspx?r=...de_6794_4f.jpg

the "adjusted sign"


the normal sign
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Old November 4th, 2015, 08:38 PM   #13933
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what are the new signs for?

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Old November 4th, 2015, 08:41 PM   #13934
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Old November 5th, 2015, 02:00 PM   #13935
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what are the new signs for?
Those are not new signs. They are not official. A group of people put them up and replaced the old one to make a political/humorous/nationalist point.
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Old November 6th, 2015, 07:14 AM   #13936
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Is "desperate refugee" a euphemism for aggressive, lawless continent invaders?
For me, these people are desperate but at the same time they should have respected the laws of the land. Merkel and her administration should not promise anything to these people in the first place.

If my country become Syria in the future (God forbids), I would rather die fighting for my country than fleeing to other countries.
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Old November 7th, 2015, 01:32 PM   #13937
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One interesting fact: as far as I know, UK and Republic of Ireland have some short of "Schengen" agreement, so there should be no border controls between this 2 countries.

This week I flew from London to Dublin. After landing on Dublin airport, all passengers (including myself) had to go through passport control. Why?

After exiting the airport I picked up a car and I drove to Northern ireland (part of UK) and there were no kind of controls at the border (just a sign with different speed limit and different road markings).
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Old November 7th, 2015, 02:06 PM   #13938
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One interesting fact: as far as I know, UK and Republic of Ireland have some short of "Schengen" agreement, so there should be no border controls between this 2 countries.

This week I flew from London to Dublin. After landing on Dublin airport, all passengers (including myself) had to go through passport control. Why?

After exiting the airport I picked up a car and I drove to Northern ireland (part of UK) and there were no kind of controls at the border (just a sign with different speed limit and different road markings).
The UK, Channel Islands, Isle of Man and Republic of Ireland are all part of the Common Travel Area (CTA).

In 1997, the RoI changed their immigration legislation to check traveller ID entering from other parts of the CTA but is generally only enforced at airports and ports.

You also have the hot potato of Northern Ireland and both sides liking to pretend it's not different whilst it still is. Hence, you don't really see any signs welcoming you other than the road and signs marking changes!
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Old November 7th, 2015, 07:34 PM   #13939
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You also have the hot potato of Northern Ireland and both sides liking to pretend it's not different whilst it still is. Hence, you don't really see any signs welcoming you other than the road and signs marking changes!
There are 'Welcome to Northern Ireland signs' now, though. Some people vandalised them but they are there. There is a list in this article: here
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Old November 8th, 2015, 07:50 PM   #13940
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Entry into Germany and the Schengen area at München airport:

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