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Old February 14th, 2016, 05:06 PM   #14221
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MattiG - can you answer to my previous question - legal basis?

You donít understand nothing, in many states there is a minimum requirement permitting a police officer to conduct searches on you or in your vehicle.

In the USA, a police officer can search your vehicle without a warrant only if he has a probable cause. Itís in the Constitution
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Old February 14th, 2016, 06:09 PM   #14222
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Yes, however if you enter the US by car (or in any way really), the border patrol can search your car and your person fully and completely on a whim
http://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-search-authority
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Old February 14th, 2016, 11:40 PM   #14223
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1) What is this legal basis?

2) Legal article, stating that undocumented deep searches by police officers in EU are permitted, please.

So basically, police officers can turn upside down all your vehicle and dismount it without any legal grounds; but the same officers let pass totally unlawfully millions of illegal migrants inside EU without even looking at them nor their belongings. That's a totally incredible situation and lack of all consistency!

The most hilarious in all this: asleep Europeans think that they are leading in respecting one's individual rights and "rule of law", while in fact they are in the bottom .
It seems to me that you're constantly trying to derail this thread (again) into the nonsensical pile of racist/refugee bashing it has fallen so many times.

I don't want it to be closed (again), so why don't we just stick to pictures of border crossings and discussions on geographical oddities? There are plenty of other places to discuss the stuff you're bringing out again and again.
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Old February 15th, 2016, 12:41 AM   #14224
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Firstly, my post stick with the subject of this thread - International border crossings / Highways and Autobahns.
Secondly, that's simply facts that I'm relaying, based on current situation in EU-Schengen border crossings - border controls carrying out by ordinary police officers - and it's legitimate to ask questions about the legality of such procedures.
Thirdly, I lived it personally and thousands of people in this situation did the same. Also, anyone can be affected by this, now and in the future. So, it's more than actual subject.
Finally, have you problems with reality, or are you completely stubborn, to declare this "nonsensical pile of racist/refugee bashing"?
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Old February 15th, 2016, 01:00 AM   #14225
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Yes, however if you enter the US by car (or in any way really), the border patrol can search your car and your person fully and completely on a whim
http://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-search-authority
True, but intra EU-Schengen borders are more similar to inter-state boundaries, than to USA-Mexico or even USA-Canada frontier. There are no "border" controls between states. Also, it exists inland border controls within 100-miles of the international borders, but then a border patrol officer (customs) need probable cause to search your car and your person.
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Old February 16th, 2016, 09:37 PM   #14226
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Bijaca is finally opened properly? They took their time - it was already functional from 07/13!

More to the point, why is BiH differentiating between EU and non-EU traffic on their border crossing? It's a BiH only crossing (not joint), but it seems to be insane to have so many lanes for EU traffic and only one for non-EU traffic. But well, when I was there - only one lane was open anyway, and traffic was minimal.

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Old February 16th, 2016, 11:22 PM   #14227
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So only one lane for Bosnians?
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Old February 16th, 2016, 11:26 PM   #14228
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Little history: Yugoslav military border guard by the border stone of socialist Yugoslavia.

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Old February 16th, 2016, 11:38 PM   #14229
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You have no idea, we are gearing up to join Schengen!

Cant those signs be changed btw as per the need?
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Old February 17th, 2016, 12:02 AM   #14230
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You have no idea, we are gearing up to join Schengen!
What Schengen, Meerz? Does that still exist?
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Old February 17th, 2016, 03:46 AM   #14231
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And that's quite confusing. Between the countries that have "officially" suspended Schengen (like i.e. Germany and Austria), others that "say so", we don't know where we are standing on an for how long. And for those states that have suspend it: what are the limits of intra-Schengen "border controls", is it permissible to do checks just like external EU/Schengen borders and without any motive nor reasonable grounds on ID identified European people?

Regrettably, I am quite offended to see how a truthful control of illegal migrants can be transformed as a pretext to check everything that is not even closely related to it - such as described in my previous post .

As I see it, the European Union and Schengen agreements is just a big joke that is not even taken seriously by the "coward" rulers and legislators of EU.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 04:04 AM   #14232
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the crisis is a temporary issue that will last forever

the dream of open borders is sadly dead
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Old February 17th, 2016, 05:39 AM   #14233
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Cant those signs be changed btw as per the need?
They can, but I've never seen anywhere actually change them.

I still can't figure out why they built two separate huge border crossings there when the EU encourages the development of one large crossing. There's really no need in today's Europe to have two separate facilities, especially for car/bus traffic.

As for the question about about reinstated border checks - if Schengen is officially suspended by a country, then they're free to apply full and complete controls at the border just as if it was an external Schengen border.

Still, no country has totally suspended Schengen yet.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 10:20 AM   #14234
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the crisis is a temporary issue that will last forever

the dream of open borders is sadly dead
I don't think so. Two nations (Germany and Sweden) caused the issue. The Swedish government has already changed its mind and most probably the German one, too, will do it (either the government changes its mind, or the mind changes its government).
And if border control will be restored at the external borders (with or without Greece), the internal borders can be opened again.

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Old February 17th, 2016, 01:00 PM   #14235
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True, but intra EU-Schengen borders are more similar to inter-state boundaries, than to USA-Mexico or even USA-Canada frontier. There are no "border" controls between states. Also, it exists inland border controls within 100-miles of the international borders, but then a border patrol officer (customs) need probable cause to search your car and your person.
EU is not a singular state and probably never will be (especially considering the recent developments).

Comparisons to the US are only partly valid.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 02:30 PM   #14236
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EU is not a singular state and probably never will be (especially considering the recent developments).

Comparisons to the US are only partly valid.
And who's fault? EU and its dream has shot itself in the foot - by totally anti-democratically and lawlessly widely opening its borders to all illegal non-European immigrants.
For instance, that's like if Americans would open their borders to all illegal Mexicans and the whole world, and imposing quotas and punishments to each State without even asking them after that. This would never happen there, since there would be another "secession" if it ever occur.

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I don't think so. Two nations (Germany and Sweden) caused the issue. The Swedish government has already changed its mind and most probably the German one, too, will do it (either the government changes its mind, or the mind changes its government).
And if border control will be restored at the external borders (with or without Greece), the internal borders can be opened again.
These nations are the main responsible for all this mess. But most of all, this situation has shown us how huge is lack of coordination and means when it comes to protect external EU-Schengen borders, and by extension Europe and its citizens. There is also a huge lack of solidarity in Europe too, as the only reasonable and law-caring country in this matter Hungary was being attacked and insulted from all sides, despite of being encouraged for, in fact, bringing the most sensitive and functional solutions of all; that I am sure would definitely preserve - if followed by others - Schengen borders.

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As for the question about about reinstated border checks - if Schengen is officially suspended by a country, then they're free to apply full and complete controls at the border just as if it was an external Schengen border.

Still, no country has totally suspended Schengen yet.
What are the purpose of these controls? Because, I thought that was to stop and discourage illegal migrants, not to romp on law-abiding tax-paying citizens .

Actually, all the countries that has created this mess, or who supported it because of their inaction and encouragement to illegality, are now punishing their citizens at double recovery: first imposing them "hordes" of illegals not culturally compatible welfare migrants, and now by harassing its own citizens, totally unnecessarily and without any logical reason at all, inside the very Schengen area. I wouldn't had any problem at all, if the goal of these controls were IDs checks, but it is only used as a pretext to harry European citizens, and still more than 5'000 illegals are trespassing into Germany every day. Wait and see: as soon as the influx will rise again when weather will be warmer, it will show how ridiculous and totally inefficient these "controls" are .

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And please, answer to my question concerning legality of conducting customs border controls inside Schengen area by ordinary police officers.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 03:18 PM   #14238
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Germany is doing a huge mistake in accepting a such amounts of asylum seekers without providing them a safe a legal route from where they originate (usually Turkey) to Germany.
If Germany wants to give asylum to war refugees, it should provide air transport to carry them between Turkey\Greece and Germany, without impacting all countries crossed by the overland route. Otherwise, Germany encourages an illegal activity abroad (crossing non-Schengen borders with no proper documents is illegal for anyone).
Thousands of people are causing huge public order problems in many south-east Europe countries, that are neither the origin, neither the final destintion of those migrants. Those countries, that often have serious internal problems too (especially Greece and Macedonia), have to spend huge amounts of money to deal with that issue (more police patrol, refuge shelters,...). Moreover, people living along the migrant route are directly affected too (less safety, more decay, longer times to cross borders, that's hard to imagine an important border crossing like Horgos shut down for weeks or the disruption of the Vienna-Budapest train due to a war 4,000km away, but that happened...).
In the 70s, 80s and 90s most gestarbeiter living in Germany were Turks, Greeks and Yugoslavs with proper permission to stay. They travelled crossing borders legally. Then, the gestarbeiter flow from\to Germany was responsible of huge traffic jams and many accidents in Austria and Yugoslavia (that had few motorways). However that was nothing compared to this mess today.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 05:12 PM   #14239
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And who's fault?
Nobody's. It is just a fact.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 07:52 PM   #14240
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And please, answer to my question concerning legality of conducting customs border controls inside Schengen area by ordinary police officers.
I can only talk for CH, but from memory, the law was changed there post-Schengen to enable Customs controls anywhere in Switzerland.

There's a good article by the Swiss Customs about it here - http://www.ezv.admin.ch/themen/04097/index.html?lang=en
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