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Old February 18th, 2016, 09:14 PM   #14261
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Schengen has nothing to do with customs, only with free movement of people. Custom union involves all and only EU countries, regardless if they are in EU or not, while Schengen includes some non-EU countries too.
I am a little tired yet, so maybe this is the reason why, I cannot get this sentence...
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Old February 18th, 2016, 09:31 PM   #14262
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The British, Dutch and German Protestants who made up the bulk of the U.S. population in 1840 actually had - well, many of them had - considerable unease for religious reasons about the sudden influx of Catholics. Because there was animosity about Catholicism going back to the Reformation. Add to that that so many of these people were from southern and eastern Europe so they talked and dressed "funny"; they were poor; they were coming in in such large numbers...

These populations did assimilate and eventually get along, but it took a century or so. (John Kennedy's Catholicism was an issue in the 1960 Presidential campaign. My father, born in 1924, could remember help-wanted ads from the 40s reading "WASP only." Now, of course, that's illegal.) There were anti-Catholic riots in Philadelphia during the 1840s, and a nativist political party (officially called the American Party, commonly known as the Know-Nothings) in the 1850s. One historian I read said that for a brief time in the 1850s it looked like immigration might become a more important political issue than slavery. But for whatever reason, that didn't happen.

An American from 1840 who traveled forward in time to, say, the late 20th century, might feel that the immigrants had actually "won." The WASP America he was used to had melted into a larger, more cosmopolitan population with a lot of elements he would have considered alien.

As a Polish-American whose ancestors mostly came over around 1900, I'm not complaining about this, obviously. Just pointing out that it wasn't as easy as you seem to think.
Let's ship all Muslim "refugees" to USA then.
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Old February 18th, 2016, 11:35 PM   #14263
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Speaking personally, I'm happy for us to accept our share.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/05/17/t...grants/#muslim

But perhaps we can go back to talking about borders.
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Old February 18th, 2016, 11:41 PM   #14264
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Is this thread still about border crossings or is it becoming yet another general ranting area?

Do we have any moderator?
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Old February 18th, 2016, 11:47 PM   #14265
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Speaking personally, I'm happy for us to accept our share.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/05/17/t...grants/#muslim

But perhaps we can go back to talking about borders.
Well, you "accept share" in 20 years of the same amount of newcomer Muslims Europe took solely last year .


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Old February 18th, 2016, 11:50 PM   #14266
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Ignoring you.

Borders.
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Old February 19th, 2016, 12:23 PM   #14267
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Can anybody cross this border here or it's for local community only? I presume it is, but I am wondering how it actually works?
And this one?
To bring the topic back to borders and away from Muslims...

As far as I know, both of those crossings are only able to be crossed upon special application to either the Croatian or Bosnian border police. They're not for locals (locals-only border crossings still have infrastructure) - though before 2013, they were used by locals freely. They might even be blocked up now - Croatia before joining the EU went around closing up a lot of these crossings, so I'd be surprised if you could still drive through.

It's one of the worst things on the HR/BiH border - there are huge gaps between crossings, and locals are poor by the standards of their countries.
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Old February 19th, 2016, 01:54 PM   #14268
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To bring the topic back to borders and away from Muslims...

As far as I know, both of those crossings are only able to be crossed upon special application to either the Croatian or Bosnian border police. They're not for locals (locals-only border crossings still have infrastructure) - though before 2013, they were used by locals freely. They might even be blocked up now - Croatia before joining the EU went around closing up a lot of these crossings, so I'd be surprised if you could still drive through.

It's one of the worst things on the HR/BiH border - there are huge gaps between crossings, and locals are poor by the standards of their countries.
The latter looks to have previously had border infrastructure now removed?
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Old February 19th, 2016, 02:19 PM   #14269
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The latter looks to have previously had border infrastructure now removed?
This could have been some checkpoint place back in the 90ies, not a real border crossing.

But Streetview pictures are rather old, back from 2011.
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Old February 19th, 2016, 02:20 PM   #14270
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The latter looks to have previously had border infrastructure now removed?
It's possible that it was UN infrastructure, not Croatian. There's quite a few places along the border where you can see similar ruins - Zeljava is the most obvious one I can think of, but there are other places too.

There's a news article about that crossing here in the local language : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFxk...layer_embedded

Or yes, it could have been an old guard hut. Croatia (from what I can tell, please correct me if I'm wrong) used to have quite a lot of guard huts in villages/towns on the border, but most of them have been abandoned. I've seen those huts in Metkovic and in Bregana, so it might have been the same here.

Can't be certain, but it looks like there's a large barrier on the road at the border : https://www.google.hr/maps/@43.28667.../data=!3m1!1e3
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Old February 19th, 2016, 04:16 PM   #14271
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If it was, then that village to the left would seem to be some little Croatian exclave as the road only has throughway to BIH both directions. Maybe it's just a demarcation line?
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Old February 20th, 2016, 12:10 AM   #14272
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The border line on Google Maps is just wrong! Look at openstreetmap.org for the correct one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/search?...3.2887/17.3252
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Old February 20th, 2016, 11:13 PM   #14273
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Massive queue at the danish/german border

The Winter holiday traffic and the recently introduced border controls have created massive queues at the Danish-German border. According to Local TV station TV-SYD drivers had an extra driving time for up to 45 minutes.

The South Jutland Police, confirms the congestions:
- There is still a queue and we are busy. It is homebound traffic after the winter holidays, says police commissioner Anders Hansen.
- Now we have this border control and we are back in the old days. And that means that there is a queue at the border, he explains.
8 kilometers of queue
According to the police, there has been 8km queue into Germany.
- But we've opened some more lanes, so hopefully we can speed up the traffic flow, says Anders Hansen.

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Old February 21st, 2016, 12:34 AM   #14274
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45 minutes is not exactly a massive queue.
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Old February 21st, 2016, 12:41 AM   #14275
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It's pretty horrible considering it seems to be an artificial creation due to the border guards only
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Old February 21st, 2016, 07:11 AM   #14276
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It's pretty horrible considering it seems to be an artificial creation due to the border guards only
From an infrastructure point of view, the problem there is that the old infrastructure was removed a few years ago. It wouldn't be so bad if the old border crossing was still there, but because it isn't, they have to make the most of what is already there - which isn't much, just a rest area and two lanes on the motorway.
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Old February 21st, 2016, 10:35 AM   #14277
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45 minutes is not exactly a massive queue.
It is if you're used to 0 minutes delay
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Old February 21st, 2016, 01:15 PM   #14278
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Maybe Danes, but not Germans.

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From an infrastructure point of view, the problem there is that the old infrastructure was removed a few years ago. It wouldn't be so bad if the old border crossing was still there, but because it isn't, they have to make the most of what is already there - which isn't much, just a rest area and two lanes on the motorway.
That's how it was done on the Slovenian side of the motorway border crossing Pince/Tornyiszentmiklós with Hungary (A5-M70). They diverted traffic through the rest area Pince. Hungarians also have an unused rest area on their side.
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Old February 21st, 2016, 01:43 PM   #14279
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Border between Croatia and Hungary.


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Old February 21st, 2016, 02:28 PM   #14280
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Verso, has Slovenia built any fences?
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