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Old February 21st, 2016, 03:24 PM   #14281
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Border between Croatia and Hungary.
Oh our media, it's an old photo prom SRB-H border near Horgos.
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Old February 21st, 2016, 06:59 PM   #14282
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Verso, has Slovenia built any fences?
Yes, more than 100 km on the Croatian border (or barbed wire).
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Old February 22nd, 2016, 02:16 AM   #14283
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According to the police, there has been 8km queue into Germany.
8 km means that it already goes past Flensburg-Harrislee interchange; a little more and it will reach Flensburg southern. It might be tempting to some drivers to exit the motorway and take B200 to Danish 170 instead.

But what is the situation over there?
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Old February 22nd, 2016, 02:56 AM   #14284
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You're right.

Yes, more than 100 km on the Croatian border (or barbed wire).
Slovenia bought the wires from Hungary....
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Old February 22nd, 2016, 04:57 PM   #14285
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Man tries to cross Gibraltar border in stolen Guardia Civil vehicle.

Most of you will have probably already seen this video, it shows a polish man trying to cross the border into Gibraltar in a stolen Guardia Civil vehicle.



It got me thinking, the Gib government admitted that there was no equipment at the border to stop a car that didn't want to stop voluntarily, and there have been a couple of incidents previous to this, most recently when a local man who was wanted in Spain floored it when the Policia asked to see his passport.

What do other borders do to prevent people from not stopping, from what I can see not many borders have physical barriers etc.
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Old February 22nd, 2016, 05:33 PM   #14286
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I think I saw somewhere at a Russian border spikes in the ground.
When the barrier was lifted, the spikes went down and the care could pass without damage...
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Old February 22nd, 2016, 06:03 PM   #14287
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I think I saw somewhere at a Russian border spikes in the ground.
When the barrier was lifted, the spikes went down and the care could pass without damage...
A manual solution when approaching Finland (note, not the actual border itself). The officer may, if needed, unroll the spikes in a matter of seconds.

https://www.google.fi/maps/@60.60733...7i13312!8i6656
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Old February 22nd, 2016, 08:10 PM   #14288
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At all borders I've crossed (in Eastern Europe, Romania, Hungary, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Slovakia) there was only a barrier like you find when entering parking lots (plastic, that you can easily break). On almost all the barrier stayed up all the time when that specific lane was open for traffic (you stopped to show your documents because the Police was there and you didn't want trouble, but not because you couldn't drive away).

I remember few months ago when the first motorway crossing opened between Romania and Hungary. First times when I passed that one, they lifted the barrier up and down after each vehicle. Now it stays up all the time.
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Old February 22nd, 2016, 11:10 PM   #14289
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I posted in a Spanish thread... not as a border but as a really silly person.
Press release talked about he had some head problems.... and in fact, he stole an official police vehicle and tried to cross a border with it. Clearly, in the passport control he was caught.
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Old February 23rd, 2016, 01:57 PM   #14290
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A manual solution when approaching Finland (note, not the actual border itself). The officer may, if needed, unroll the spikes in a matter of seconds.

https://www.google.fi/maps/@60.60733...7i13312!8i6656
Any clue what is the purpose of that control point? It is located several kilometers off the border station.
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Old February 23rd, 2016, 03:52 PM   #14291
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Greece-Macedonia:


http://www.rtvslo.si/begunska-kriza/...ke-meje/386509
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Old February 23rd, 2016, 04:48 PM   #14292
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Most of you will have probably already seen this video, it shows a polish man trying to cross the border into Gibraltar in a stolen Guardia Civil vehicle.



It got me thinking, the Gib government admitted that there was no equipment at the border to stop a car that didn't want to stop voluntarily, and there have been a couple of incidents previous to this, most recently when a local man who was wanted in Spain floored it when the Policia asked to see his passport.

What do other borders do to prevent people from not stopping, from what I can see not many borders have physical barriers etc.
Perhaps it's our old friend Road_UK!
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Old February 23rd, 2016, 04:48 PM   #14293
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Any clue what is the purpose of that control point? It is located several kilometers off the border station.
This is the outer limit of the border zone. A person entering the border zone must either have a special permit in doing so (permit is given to those living or doing business on the border zone, and to others under consideration), or be entitled to cross the actual border (= have a Schengen visa, be a Schengen citizen or a citizen of a country with visa free arrangement with Schengen).

In other words: Russia has been doing border control for Finland (and Schengen) all the time, and as you've probably heard from the news, our politicians are afraid of the fact that it might actually stop doing it, leaving our own dirty work to us.

Furthermore, a person entering or exiting Russia without a border zone permit must take the shortest possible route to or from the border station and not stop en route, not even for petrol. How strictly this rule is enforced depends more or less on the current political situation.
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Old February 23rd, 2016, 07:47 PM   #14294
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The Winter holiday traffic and the recently introduced border controls have created massive queues at the Danish-German border. According to Local TV station TV-SYD drivers had an extra driving time for up to 45 minutes.

The South Jutland Police, confirms the congestions:
- There is still a queue and we are busy. It is homebound traffic after the winter holidays, says police commissioner Anders Hansen.
- Now we have this border control and we are back in the old days. And that means that there is a queue at the border, he explains.
8 kilometers of queue
According to the police, there has been 8km queue into Germany.
- But we've opened some more lanes, so hopefully we can speed up the traffic flow, says Anders Hansen.


"Winter" holiday ;-)

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10 hour delay winter holiday queue Norwegian style, completely not due to border control....

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Old February 23rd, 2016, 10:20 PM   #14295
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Furthermore, a person entering or exiting Russia without a border zone permit must take the shortest possible route to or from the border station and not stop en route, not even for petrol. How strictly this rule is enforced depends more or less on the current political situation.
I wonder - was the same rule in place on other borders where the border station wasn't directly on the border line in Europe?

I'm thinking about the A/SK border crossing in Kittsee - the SK border station was quite a long way away from the borderline, and the A border station was a good few hundred metres away. There was another one on the PL/SK border where the border station was about 2km away from the border line.

I think one used to exist on the PL/UA border at Kroscienko too - the UA border used to be located quite far away before the new joint crossing opened at Kroscienko.

(I know on the SLO/HR borders, they couldn't have cared less before Croatia joined the EU if you stopped between the borders.)
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Old February 23rd, 2016, 10:53 PM   #14296
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I wonder - was the same rule in place on other borders where the border station wasn't directly on the border line in Europe?
No.

The place linked above is not a border station, it is just a place controlling the access to the border zone. The whole concept of "border zone" is unknown to many European countries. Finland has one against Russia at max 3 km (it has gaps on actual border crossing points, though, so there is no need to stop twice on Finnish side), however Russia has one on all its border and it can be over 10 km. Not only is crossing the border controlled, but also approaching the border. The border zone covers some rather large settlements, some reaching a thousand inhabitants.

There is an actual border station immediately next to the border for all the administrative stuff as any other non-Schengen border station in Europe, but there is no Google Street view data there, since photographing is forbidden.
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There is similar, couple of times discussed in this thread,"item" in Lithuania, near border with Belarus.
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Old February 24th, 2016, 01:07 AM   #14298
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Greece-Macedonia:
That "OPEN BORDER" transparent, so hilarious
At the Röszke crossing, they were at least a little bit more creative: mini poem "No food, no water - until open this border", as well as ultimatums to the police.
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Old February 24th, 2016, 02:49 AM   #14299
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No.

The place linked above is not a border station, it is just a place controlling the access to the border zone. The whole concept of "border zone" is unknown to many European countries. Finland has one against Russia at max 3 km (it has gaps on actual border crossing points, though, so there is no need to stop twice on Finnish side), however Russia has one on all its border and it can be over 10 km. Not only is crossing the border controlled, but also approaching the border. The border zone covers some rather large settlements, some reaching a thousand inhabitants.
No no, what I meant - is there anywhere else where such a 'no stopping' rule is enforced? Speaking of Russia - do these exist on all the approaches to the border, or just some areas? I know they have many closed areas. There's a good example here (this checkpoint isn't functioning anymore, as far as I know) - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.70...8i6656!6m1!1e1

Isn't the European idea of a border zone rather marked by signs and not physical control points? I'm thinking of Finland and Lithuania - they have signs, but no permanent control as such.

Bosnia apparently has a 100m border zone, but I've never even seen any police patrolling their border, yet alone any threats of punishments. Croatian police on the other hand always seem to turn up when I'm loitering around the border on their side of the BiH border.
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No no, what I meant - is there anywhere else where such a 'no stopping' rule is enforced?
Speaking of borders, I don't know. However there are some "no stopping areas" on roads passing by military areas.

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Speaking of Russia - do these exist on all the approaches to the border
As far as I know, yes.

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There's a good example here (this checkpoint isn't functioning anymore, as far as I know) - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.70...8i6656!6m1!1e1
That seems to be quite far from the border even by Russian standards. Maybe there is or has been a naval base or something at the end of that peninsula.

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Isn't the European idea of a border zone rather marked by signs and not physical control points? I'm thinking of Finland and Lithuania - they have signs, but no permanent control as such.
At least in Finland the border zone is marked very clearly with info boards, yellow warning signposts and yellow ribbons in trees (or yellow buoys when in water). Info boards telling the rules are used at least once on all public roads (and many private roads) leading to the border zone, and warning signposts and ribbons are used densely between them. On any sign/ribbon/buoy one should be able to see several more in each direction, so it should be easy to follow the outer limit of the zone. Trespassers shouldn't really be able to claim ignorance. There are no permanently manned control posts, but there are hidden cameras and if needed, the guards will be on site in a matter of minutes.

As already said, unlike in Russia, on the Finnish side the border zone has gaps on border crossings, so border crossing traffic doesn't need to stop twice.
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