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Old April 12th, 2016, 01:55 PM   #14401
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Interesting that it says "Juárez, México" on a sign in the US.
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Old April 12th, 2016, 06:13 PM   #14402
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Normal for destinations over the border to be signed that way. Same happens with Canadian destinations.
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Old April 12th, 2016, 07:17 PM   #14403
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I think Verso was pointing out the accent in Mexico. Which technically makes it the Spanish spelling rather than the English one. An issue which doesn't arise with Canada. (But, the other direction, I think you'll see "U.S.A." more often in Quebec than "Etats-Unis.")

As many times as I've driven up I-87, I can't remember whether Montreal, which starts appearing on distance/reassurance signs as soon as you leave New York City, is spelled with or without the accent....
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Old April 13th, 2016, 12:41 AM   #14404
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Yes, "México".
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Old April 13th, 2016, 01:00 AM   #14405
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And to be accurate, the "X" should be pronounced as an English H [meHico]
Same for Texas.
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Old April 13th, 2016, 01:24 AM   #14406
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This is something unusual...


I-19 is the only road in the USA with metric signage.
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Old April 13th, 2016, 01:26 AM   #14407
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I think yes if you consider the km-based exit numbers it had (has?) e.g. Exit 100 was 100 km away from the starting point instead of 100 miles. and metres to upcoming exit signs it had
but km distance signs are pretty common especially near Canada border
I know there are some on I-89...
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Old April 13th, 2016, 11:15 AM   #14408
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A couple of months ago I crossed here, between Lazdijai (LT) and Sankury/Sankūrai (yes! bilingual!) (PL) (on the Gaładuś/Galadusys lake). I took a couple of pics with my phone (I didn't have any good camera yet)

1.Towards Poland. The asphalt ends, but it was of very bad quality anyway - extremely bumpy - which was too much for the car I had at that time and its hard suspension. It was an enormous relief to enter the 2-km non asphalted Polish section.


2. Towards Lithuania. The stairs visible on the right will take you to the Galadusys/Gaładuś lake.


3 i 4. On the very border, getting to the Galadusys/Gaładuś lake. I think they used to be only for Lithuanian customs officers, as now it looks completely abandoned.



4.Towards Poland (with the last Lithuanian white and black roadside deflectors)


5 i 6. From the Polish side, you can see both countries on the Gaładuś/Galadusys lake



7. Just as extremes you can see in Poland with only exonyms indicated ("Vilnius (LT) instead of "Wilno/Vilnius (LT)" or "Praha (CZ) instead of "Praga/Praha (CZ), here you can see something more rare but also existing in Poland: endonyms only. Here: "Łoździeje" (instead of "Łoździeje/Lazdijai (LT)")... The 1st high-tension tower is in Poland, the 2 others are already in Lithuania (the famous Lit-Pol-link promoted by Lithuania's former energy minister Jarosław Niewierowicz?).
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"Richtgeschwindigkeit" should be the default system in all EU motorways & expressways & lane indiscipline should be harshly fought! Down with radars on motorways!

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Old April 14th, 2016, 04:23 AM   #14409
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I'm curious of the above situation. I want to say the border monument is officially the line. Can one seize the land between on the river and have an independent republic absolute monarchy?

On the Canada/USA border for example these posts are actually one, with Canada written on one side and USA on the other, and is officially the border going through the middle of the stone...
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Old April 14th, 2016, 01:21 PM   #14410
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I'm curious of the above situation. I want to say the border monument is officially the line. Can one seize the land between on the river and have an independent republic absolute monarchy?

On the Canada/USA border for example these posts are actually one, with Canada written on one side and USA on the other, and is officially the border going through the middle of the stone...
Who knows! Maybe between the Lithuanian and the Polish border monuments, there are remnants of the former Two-Nation Rzeczpospolita?
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Old April 15th, 2016, 02:46 AM   #14411
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Two snapshots of the crossing N-II road (E) -> D900/Le Perthus (F), some years back.
Queue is not caused by border controls (there were none), but by heavy tourist and shopping traffic in Le Perthus.







In Le Perthus, the actual borderline runs in the middle of D900 road for a while. The old booths visible in the photos come before, when all the road is on Spanish territory yet.

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Old April 15th, 2016, 10:32 AM   #14412
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Two snapshots of the crossing N-II road (E) -> D900/Le Perthus (F), some years back.
Queue is not caused by border controls (there were none), but by heavy tourist and shopping traffic in Le Perthus.
[...]
In Le Perthus, the actual borderline runs in the middle of D900 road for a while. The old booths visible in the photos come before, when all the road is on Spanish territory yet.[...]
I'm having a look at it on Google Street View and it looks really interesting. Extremely hard to say that which part is in France and which part is in Spain. I am wondering how was this town divided during pre-Schengen times....
EDIT: looks like the road is not on Spanish, but on French territory. Only the Eastern sidewalk of this road seems to be in Spain.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 10:53 AM   #14413
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I'm having a look at it on Google Street View and it looks really interesting. Extremely hard to say that which part is in France and which part is in Spain. I am wondering how was this town divided during pre-Schengen times....
EDIT: looks like the road is not on Spanish, but on French territory. Only the Eastern sidewalk of this road seems to be in Spain.
It didn't exist at all.

In Spain the N-II is one out of Top6 main roads and ends there. The tolled motorway AP-7 is just some km away.

Last 500m are (looking to north)

- Left pedestrian shoulder = France
- all the road, incluiding where you can park = France
- Right pedestrian shoulder = Spain.


Therefore, if you are in the right side of your car, after parking, just getting off would be crossing an international border.



Hint: Look at the detail that it is blue parking zone but parking metres are only in French side.


(there are other two parkings, each one in one country and they advice that tickets sold for one country aren't allowed for the other one. I guess each area would be managed by a company)
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Old April 15th, 2016, 07:34 PM   #14414
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Wait, wait...what do you mean the road didn't exist at all?

I'm completely confused. Does it mean the road (and shops) were built after Schengen?
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Old April 15th, 2016, 08:59 PM   #14415
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Wait, wait...what do you mean the road didn't exist at all?

I'm completely confused. Does it mean the road (and shops) were built after Schengen?
I'm not sure what he means but I'm pretty sure the road has been there since 1939 at least, as it was used by a large number of refugees of the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939. Probably the road dates back to the times of the Roman empire.

Besides, aerial imagery from 1945 already shows buildings on both sides of the border.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 09:15 PM   #14416
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I'm having a look at it on Google Street View and it looks really interesting. Extremely hard to say that which part is in France and which part is in Spain. I am wondering how was this town divided during pre-Schengen times....
EDIT: looks like the road is not on Spanish, but on French territory. Only the Eastern sidewalk of this road seems to be in Spain.
In pre-Schengen times this town had a special status, as it lies after the border crossing. Not 100% sure, but I think I saw earlier in this thread that villagers had special passports.

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I'm not sure what he means but I'm pretty sure the road has been there since 1939 at least, as it was used by a large number of refugees of the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939. Probably the road dates back to the times of the Roman empire.

Besides, aerial imagery from 1945 already shows buildings on both sides of the border.
Le Perthus pass has been the main route to cross the Pyrenees for centuries. The Roman road climbed much higher than the current one, and there are remains of it in the mountains. I'm not really sure when was current N-II built, but I guess it's several centuries old since the road to France went always through there.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 01:03 AM   #14417
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Wait, wait...what do you mean the road didn't exist at all?

I'm completely confused. Does it mean the road (and shops) were built after Schengen?
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I'm not sure what he means but I'm pretty sure the road has been there since 1939 at least, as it was used by a large number of refugees of the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939. Probably the road dates back to the times of the Roman empire.

Besides, aerial imagery from 1945 already shows buildings on both sides of the border.


I am not sure where the Romans crossed the Pyrenees (I do know that over Somport pass surely but nothing about that exact area)

Anyway, after Spanish booths and before Schengen no buildings existed.
I would state that they are the only Spanish buildings after some custom booths (providing new international crosses hasn't booths at all)


I got this single map about roads in Spain (I put the link due to it is oversized)

https://fronterasblog.files.wordpres...14/06/340a.jpg

It is from 1940 when current road numbers was decided.
In red, top6 main roads departing from Madrid.

Els Limits is in the border besides the Mediterranean, the overtraffic road is indeed that corner in red.

The other ones, depending of the area, first digit, depending of distance to centre, second digit.



In addition, the same system says (in one corner), Balearic islands will start with 7 and Canary islands with 8.
It doesn't say at all but North African roads started on 9.

Nowadays all islands are considered local roads, even if motorways, and would have a numeration according to the island only.
Ceuta hasn't national roads and Melilla two small ones which, both of them start with a 3.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 01:49 AM   #14418
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Interesting that it says "Juárez, México" on a sign in the US.
Like in German-speaking Basel there are signs to "France".
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Old April 16th, 2016, 12:12 PM   #14419
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I got this single map about roads in Spain (I put the link due to it is oversized)

https://fronterasblog.files.wordpres...14/06/340a.jpg

It is from 1940 when current road numbers was decided.
In red, top6 main roads departing from Madrid.
Notice that N-II initially took a different route to that of Madrid-French border at La Jonquera road through Barcelona province: between Igualada and Martorell it went via current C-15 and B-224 (set to become C-54) while its predecessor were just local roads. And between Barcelona and Massanet it went on C-17 and C-35, with its precursor becoming C-251 instead. By the 70s this was corrected, and N-II was now entirely on the route the Madrid-French border at La Jonquera road took.
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Ceuta hasn't national roads and Melilla two small ones which, both of them start with a 3.
Erm, it's the other way round. Ceuta has national roads (actually all between N-350 and N-362 exist, but only N-352, N-354 and N-362 are signed), while Melilla has none, only a bunch of ML-xxx roads (ML-102, ML-105, ML-300) which are still maintained by Fomento. Oh, and although it's unsigned, Melilla is also home to one of the weirdest designations ever: the N-NADOR!
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Old April 16th, 2016, 08:58 PM   #14420
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The N-351 runs to Gibraltar, doesn't it?

But about Le Perthus :

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Anyway, after Spanish booths and before Schengen no buildings existed.
Are you sure? I've found this :



And this



Which seems to be here :

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4631...8i6656!6m1!1e1

It seems to me that the Spanish border control was roughly where it the current one is - http://lou.gabel.free.fr/images/LePerthus/LP31.jpg

What do you think?
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