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Old April 16th, 2016, 09:02 PM   #14421
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Both, the French and the Spanish village, seem to be quite old: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_L%C3%ADmites.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 11:37 PM   #14422
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Both, the French and the Spanish village, seem to be quite old: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_L%C3%ADmites.
It explains it quite well there - people living in Els Limits had to go through passport/Customs controls to get to the rest of Spain. It looks like the border was relocated to a joint French/Spanish facility that's still there at some point - hard to tell from the design when it was built, though. The customs houses look pretty old, but those booths look like a 70's design if anything.

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http://www.ebay.it/itm/71382014-Zoll...3D361475257761

The link claims that the border crossings shown there existed until 1965. You can see here -



- that in 1966, there was the Spanish control at the bottom of the hill (probably in the same place as the 'modern' joint facility) while at the top of the hill was the French control. It looks like Els Limits and Le Perthus were a sort of 'free town' where you could wander freely, but you had to pass customs/passport controls to get out of the joint village.

The only question is when the French control moved to the joint control in Els Limits (that you can see today) - but I suppose it's quite possible that the French had their passport control there and kept Customs controls at the top of the hill. Anyone in Els Limits would have already crossed the French passport control, so they could move freely into France.

Interesting place, I'd love to visit. It's just a little bit far from Poland, though I did visit La Jonquera a couple of years after Schengen. 2am at La Jonquera was quite scary...
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Old April 16th, 2016, 11:40 PM   #14423
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Both, the French and the Spanish village, seem to be quite old: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_L%C3%ADmites.
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The Franco-Spanish border was defined in a 1866 treaty in a creek (Arroyo de la Condesa) that was on a side of the road that crosses the place, and that now is N-II road (...). The whole creek was French territory, until the Eastern shore. It was likely in the 1960s when the creek, now part of El Pertús sewage system, was covered, and also when buildings started to be erected in the Eastern shore of the river, which in summer was only a dry bed. So, the border was put underground, and an international street arose.
So, the place is old, but the buildings in the Spanish side of the street are newer. The road has been there for much longer .
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Old April 16th, 2016, 11:59 PM   #14424
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I'm really amused at the caricatures, France is just Tour Eiffel and de Gaulle and Spain has all kinds of fun adventures and activities!
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Old April 17th, 2016, 03:56 PM   #14425
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Salwa, Saudi Arabia

There is a massive expansion project underway at the Saudi Arabia - Qatar border crossing at Salwa, on the Saudi side.

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Old April 27th, 2016, 02:07 AM   #14426
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Why is there no road between Bulgaria and Turkey on the coast?
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Old April 27th, 2016, 10:12 AM   #14427
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There is no coastal road on the Turkish side.
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Old April 27th, 2016, 11:58 AM   #14428
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Are they random controls?. Just crossing creek and border passed
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Old April 27th, 2016, 04:49 PM   #14429
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This is not a check point.
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Old April 27th, 2016, 05:37 PM   #14430
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This is not a check point.
I guess it.. Nearest one is far away. Therefore, could you be arrested if crossing the creek?
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Old April 27th, 2016, 06:48 PM   #14431
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There is no coastal road on the Turkish side.
There is, although quite local. Border crossing Malko Tarnovo/Dereköy is quite far from the coast.
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Old April 27th, 2016, 09:09 PM   #14432
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That particular area is under heavy surveillance from the Bulgarian Border Police.
Attempting to cross there would not be a very good idea.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 02:00 AM   #14433
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That particular area is under heavy surveillance from the Bulgarian Border Police.
Attempting to cross there would not be a very good idea.
The entire border between Greece\Bulgaria and Turkey is heavily surveilled, something like the US-Mexican border. That's why migrants usually travel by boat from Turkey to Greek islands.
There is a photosphere on the coastal Turkish-Bulgarian border
https://www.google.it/maps/place/Ist...01b0d0!6m1!1e1
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Old April 28th, 2016, 04:42 AM   #14434
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There is, although quite local. Border crossing Malko Tarnovo/Dereköy is quite far from the coast.
Because it's a sparsely populated region plus that would destroy the unique ecology of that area.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 05:24 AM   #14435
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really? they already have changed the environment completely with those concrete groynes... probably if left "natural" would only be a lake there
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Old April 28th, 2016, 01:19 PM   #14436
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The Turks put the concrete groynes first, after which the river started to dig out the shore on the Bulgarian side, after few years we were forced to did that too to stop the erosion process. The border is very well protected, because the Turkish border police doesn't do their job for stopping the illegal immigrants. There were cases when Bulgarian border policemen had to save from drowning Syrian refugees in the exact same river, while their colleagues from Turkey just sit and watch. The same thing happens on the Greek islands too, The Turkish border patrol detect the boats with refugees, but instead to do something they let them to go in to the sea heading to Greece, without giving a f**k if they will drown on the way or not.


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http://www.strandja.bg/en/map360/21-...no-patuvane-en
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Old April 28th, 2016, 04:58 PM   #14437
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The border is very well protected, because the Turkish border police doesn't do their job for stopping the illegal immigrants.
I don't blame them. It's up to Bulgaria/EU not to let them in.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 06:53 PM   #14440
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Spain portugal
Portugal is clearly greener and prettier

Interesting though that examples such as this are never shown: https://www.google.pt/maps/@41.74325...7i13312!8i6656
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