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Old June 1st, 2016, 01:46 AM   #14461
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Found this, which is quite a fascinating picture in many ways. It's taken at the old Polish border crossing of Lysa Polana. Must have been one of the few cases where three capitals were signposted on a single sign?



The sign no longer exists, which is a pity.
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Old June 1st, 2016, 03:01 PM   #14462
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Found this, which is quite a fascinating picture in many ways. It's taken at the old Polish border crossing of Lysa Polana. Must have been one of the few cases where three capitals were signposted on a single sign?



The sign no longer exists, which is a pity.
Really disappointing with what you see now!
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Old June 2nd, 2016, 02:18 AM   #14463
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what do you mean? absence of "clo / zoll" sign is 1000 times better than the previous one!
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Old June 2nd, 2016, 09:51 AM   #14464
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They could have at least kept all the destination possibilities!
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Old June 2nd, 2016, 08:43 PM   #14465
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http://images.sudouest.fr/images/201...00x500.jpg?v=1

french - spanish border at biriatou today
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Old June 3rd, 2016, 03:20 PM   #14466
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Must have been one of the few cases where three capitals were signposted on a single sign?
https://www.google.fi/maps/@46.59578...7i13312!8i6656 does this count as a single sign - technically they are distinct plates...?

EDIT: never mind, here we go https://www.google.fi/maps/@46.41932...7i13312!8i6656
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Old June 3rd, 2016, 10:13 PM   #14467
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Great find!

Speaking of which, the Polish Ministry of the Interior is claiming that when Schengen is suspended in July, there will be a list of approved crossing points and that crossing the border outside of those points will result in a 500zł fine.
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Old June 3rd, 2016, 10:30 PM   #14468
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Must have been one of the few cases where three capitals were signposted on a single sign?
Near Skopje:

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Old June 4th, 2016, 12:12 AM   #14469
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Col Agnel/Colle dell'Agnello - <--France | Italy -->

At 2744, Colle dell'Agnello is the highest international (paved) pass on the Alps, and the third highest mountain pass in the area after Iseran and Stelvio.

To the left, it's France, to the right it's Italy.

This mountain pass also was the "Cima Coppi" (highest point) of the 2016 Giro d'Italia, and its steep ramps proved to be whole race's turning point. The maglia rosa Steven Kruijswijk crashed in the snow just some 500 meters into the descent on the french side and lost the maglia rosa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5oVTxmieck

“Cima Coppi” by Paolo Lombardi, su Flickr
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Old June 4th, 2016, 12:21 AM   #14470
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In the same border there is a milestone writen only in French. Why not also in Italian?
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Old June 4th, 2016, 12:41 AM   #14471
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Speaking of which, the Polish Ministry of the Interior is claiming that when Schengen is suspended in July, there will be a list of approved crossing points and that crossing the border outside of those points will result in a 500zł fine.
Really?!?!?! So next step would be obligation to get permission for leaving from PL... welcome PRL again...
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Old June 4th, 2016, 01:14 AM   #14472
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In the same border there is a milestone writen only in French. Why not also in Italian?
i don't know, probably the french took the initiative and the italians, as often happens, just didn't care.
It could also be one of the many "aggressive" border actions the french adopted in the Alps, like claiming the Mont Blanc summit lies entirely in French territory or pushing the border stones on Piccolo San Bernardo pass some 200m into italian territory.



It's quite sad considering what happens in any other border line in the alps, just think of the Tripoint monument between Italy, Slovenia and Austria.

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Old June 4th, 2016, 01:56 AM   #14473
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I bet it was very hard work to clean the Col Agnello and the Bonette Road for the Giro at the end of May
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Old June 4th, 2016, 02:09 AM   #14474
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Really?!?!?! So next step would be obligation to get permission for leaving from PL... welcome PRL again...
Come on, they're different things.
Being allowed to cross an international border only at designated crossing points is the standard rule around the world, both free and not free countries. Control-less borders like Schengen borders or UK-IRL are more an exception than the rule in the international panorama. That is possible because of the Schengen agreement (and CTA for british isles), that like any other international treaty, countries are free to leave or apply to join.
On the other hand, limiting people's ability to leave their country is a clear violation of the freedom of movement, that is one of the basics of human rights.
I don't think that Americans feel their humen rights being violated when they have to show their documents at the Canadian border, or the Brits at the Eurotunnel, or Croats when they enter Schengen area.
Schengen allows an extra freedom that doesn't exist in the rest of the world.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old June 4th, 2016, 02:18 AM   #14475
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Near Skopje:

I think I've seen the version with Prishtina as well
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Old June 4th, 2016, 02:57 AM   #14476
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Come on, they're different things.
Being allowed to cross an international border only at designated crossing points is the standard rule around the world, both free and not free countries. Control-less borders like Schengen borders or UK-IRL are more an exception than the rule in the international panorama. That is possible because of the Schengen agreement (and CTA for british isles), that like any other international treaty, countries are free to leave or apply to join.
On the other hand, limiting people's ability to leave their country is a clear violation of the freedom of movement, that is one of the basics of human rights.
I don't think that Americans feel their humen rights being violated when they have to show their documents at the Canadian border, or the Brits at the Eurotunnel, or Croats when they enter Schengen area.
Schengen allows an extra freedom that doesn't exist in the rest of the world.
And so? It's a freedom that must not be lost casually!
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Old June 4th, 2016, 10:19 AM   #14477
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I bet it was very hard work to clean the Col Agnello and the Bonette Road for the Giro at the end of May
This was the situation one week before
https://youtu.be/67wf0p94Gjw
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Old June 4th, 2016, 12:20 PM   #14478
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And so? It's a freedom that must not be lost casually!
But people should deserve that freedom!

I'm generally in favour of Schengen, since I like the idea of not having to stop at border crossings and being able to cross borders anywhere.
But this agreement, in order to be viable, requires a lot of cooperation between member countries (i.e. controlling the outer border). If some of the member countries fail to fulfil their duties, the whole system will be in crisis.
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Old June 4th, 2016, 01:10 PM   #14479
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But people should deserve that freedom!

I'm generally in favour of Schengen, since I like the idea of not having to stop at border crossings and being able to cross borders anywhere.
But this agreement, in order to be viable, requires a lot of cooperation between member countries (i.e. controlling the outer border). If some of the member countries fail to fulfil their duties, the whole system will be in crisis.
True. Schengen is not about human rights but trust.
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Old June 4th, 2016, 02:16 PM   #14480
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I think I've seen the version with Prishtina as well
Was there an oval code next to Prishtina? What was in it?
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