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Old July 28th, 2016, 01:48 PM   #14641
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Old July 28th, 2016, 05:53 PM   #14642
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Old July 28th, 2016, 05:56 PM   #14643
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Old July 28th, 2016, 06:01 PM   #14644
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Old July 31st, 2016, 06:15 PM   #14645
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This is a somehow remote external EU border crossing, situated on Danube river at Porțile de Fier II / Đerdap II / Iron Gate II. Unlike Iron Gate I, which directly connects the Romanian and Serbian banks, Iron Gate II is a link between the Serbian bank and the Romanian island of Ostrovu Mare.
During the communism, this border crossing was open only to people living in its vicinity. Afterwards it has been closed for many years and no reason for the closure was provided by the two governments. The crossing has been reopened only few years ago and it is mainly used by the Romanians searching for cheaper cigarettes and booze in the Serbian town of Negotin. Since the closest decent Romanian town, Turnu Severin, is about 80 km away, very few Serbians are crossing through it, preferring Iron Gate I instead.

The official way to access the border crossing from Romania is the national road DN56B, but I used a shortcut, a former agricultural road which is now being paved:



This is a bridge connecting the Romanian bank and the island of Ostrovu Mare over Gogoșu fork of the Danube. The maximum allowable weight of the vehicles crossing this bridge is 3,5 t:







The building on the left is the Romanian border post. Everything is in very bad shape, but the premises are under a general yet slow refurbishment. Since this is an external EU border, both border policemen and customs officers are present.

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We are now crossing into Serbia using the road built on the dam of Iron Gate II hydro-power station.









This is the Serbian border post. As you see, the pavement is very bad. What you don't see, the automatic boom barrier was not working and a customs officer had to push it manually. Also, on both sides of the border is full of stray dogs. The Serbian ones looked better.
Yet, the Serbian border policemen and customs officers were nice and spoke decent Romanian.



This is the Serbian road to Negotin:

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And this is my way back from Serbia to Romania:













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Old July 31st, 2016, 11:32 PM   #14649
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Now that is realy a interessting and unusual border crossing
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Old July 31st, 2016, 11:52 PM   #14650
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Now that is realy a interessting and unusual border crossing
Look at this damn.....

https://www.google.es/maps/@39.66278.../data=!3m1!1e3

Even it is not a border crossing.
and, in addition, both rivers are binational in that area, and there are no border crossings around.

Main damn area is in Spanish side and both shoulders in Portuguese side.

It would be able to cross on foot but not able by car.



(it is in the corner of the corner of both countries), few people live around it.
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Old August 1st, 2016, 02:34 AM   #14651
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Spanish and Portuguese borders have been very stable for many centuries, an exception compared to other stuff going on in Europe.
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Old August 1st, 2016, 02:53 AM   #14652
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^ That's because Portugal is at the end of Europe. Where could Spaniards push them, in the ocean?
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 09:56 AM   #14653
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Yet, the Serbian border policemen and customs officers were nice and spoke decent Romanian.
Wondering about this: Do policemen and/or custom officers always speak the language from 'the other side' of the border? It would be much easier to do so for travellers, but somehow I can imagine that not all officers speak the 'other' language. I wonder how travellers communicate with officers.

At the borders within former Yugoslavia it won't be a big problem, but do all Serbian officers at the Romanian border speak Romanian, and all Romanian officers speak Serbian? And what about Hungary-Ukraine? Or, let's say, Russia-China?
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Wondering about this: Do policemen and/or custom officers always speak the language from 'the other side' of the border? It would be much easier to do so for travellers, but somehow I can imagine that not all officers speak the 'other' language. I wonder how travellers communicate with officers.

At the borders within former Yugoslavia it won't be a big problem, but do all Serbian officers at the Romanian border speak Romanian, and all Romanian officers speak Serbian? And what about Hungary-Ukraine? Or, let's say, Russia-China?
HR-H - no way. i mean, who could lear Hungarian at all? it is difficult language, and border officers speak lousy even english.
on the other side, older Hungarian officers speak some basic Croatian from the days when hords of Croats went to cheap shopping to border area in Hungary. everyone between border and Nagykanizsa and Nagyatad spoke Croatian.
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 10:47 AM   #14655
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Isn't there Hungarian minority in Croatia and Slovenia?
When I was in Varazdin I heard a lot of Hungarian spoken...

Crossing from Romania into Hungary or Serbia they seemed to speak basic Romanian to get by with the drivers.
Also there is Romanian minority in neighboring villages in Serbia, no chance of English speakers, but I could get some directions on Romanian.
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Isn't there Hungarian minority in Croatia and Slovenia?
When I was in Varazdin I heard a lot of Hungarian spoken...

Crossing from Romania into Hungary or Serbia they seemed to speak basic Romanian to get by with the drivers.
Also there is Romanian minority in neighboring villages in Serbia, no chance of English speakers, but I could get some directions on Romanian.
there is, but not in the border area at least in Croatia, Hungarian villages are more far from the border. I don't know for Slovenia.
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In 1996, a Dutch TV programme was made about the former High way of brotherhood and unity in former Yugoslavia (I don't think it can be seen from other countries, but you could always try: here )

3 stills from that video at the Croatian-Serbian border at Batrovci/Bajakovo from the Croatian side.Location nowadays





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Old August 2nd, 2016, 12:41 PM   #14658
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Isn't there Hungarian minority in Croatia and Slovenia?
In Lend(a)va and around.
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