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Old December 2nd, 2016, 08:30 AM   #14821
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Crazy.... What about in Hercegovina ? Did the Croats set up any borders there ?
It's pretty tough to find information on this. The Croatian Republic of Herceg-Bosna was never established seriously like the Republika Srpska was, so what controls existed tended to be military controls. There doesn't seem to have been any real attempt at setting up border controls in the same way that the Republika Srpska did, anyway.

There were some examples of Croatia trying to annex territory and set up border controls - this is one of the more well known cases - http://articles.latimes.com/1995-10-...oat-federation.

From what I know, Croatia set up international border controls, but these controls were often simply ignored by local Croats, especially in areas where there were heavy Croat majorities on both sides of the borders. The rule seemed to be that Croats could move freely, but others were controlled.

Probably the big difference was that the Republika Srpska was theoretically independent of Serbia, while Herceg-Bosna wanted to integrate into Croatia from the very first minute. The West also turned a blind eye to this, because they needed Croatian support to end the war.

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Old December 3rd, 2016, 07:28 PM   #14822
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its interesting they would set up a border between areas with heavy Croat majorities
one would think they would try to go around to encircle (annex) the Croat majority territory in their entirety. Which would probably start a war
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Old December 4th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #14823
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I took these pictures in september. Location is Guglwald at the Austrian side if the A-CZ-border. Here is a monument about the Iron Curtain and a part of it is rebuilt at the Austrian side (the real one was at the Czech/Czechoslovak side).













This is how the border looks now (CZ-left, A-right)


And the border crossing close to this monument

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From Austrian side




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Old December 11th, 2016, 04:51 PM   #14824
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Hungary-Yugoslavia border at Horgos in 1964


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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old December 11th, 2016, 04:57 PM   #14825
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Iran-USSR border in 1950s




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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old December 11th, 2016, 05:01 PM   #14826
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Border between East and West Germany before the wall
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old December 12th, 2016, 05:56 PM   #14827
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Last 5 Minutes of this Video, the Scenic HIGHEST PAVED Border Crossing in the World
Pakistan China Border ( Khunjerab Pass) at 4700 Meters
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Old December 12th, 2016, 06:19 PM   #14828
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US troops on the Italy-Austria border at Brenner pass on 15 May 1945

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Old December 12th, 2016, 06:23 PM   #14829
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Brenner pass on 24 July 1938, when it was on the Italy-Germany border, shortly after the Anschluss

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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old December 17th, 2016, 08:27 PM   #14830
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International public transport:

Bus stop in Vaals (NL), which is some kilometres from the only Dutch tripoint. The bus stop is a German one, and bus 396 is a line to Kelmis and Eupen in Belgium.

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Old December 20th, 2016, 11:33 PM   #14831
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Another bus stop just besides a border crossing...

https://www.google.es/maps/place/Els...43!4d2.8660325


In Spain, it is common to have local transport (this bus stop is for buses within cities though). In those cases I have seen some lines having last stop in the same corner where local limit ends.
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Old December 21st, 2016, 11:36 AM   #14832
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International public transport:
There is an international local bus service at the Sweden/Finland border: The local bus lines of Haparanda have one stop in Tornio. Thus, the bus crosses the time zone twice during each round.

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Old December 21st, 2016, 02:12 PM   #14833
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There is an international local bus service at the Sweden/Finland border: The local bus lines of Haparanda have one stop
Sorry to rain on your parade, but that's not very "integrated". There is an image a few posts above from the Aachen-Eupen area, where the line between Aachen (DE) and Eupen (B) is server alternatively by each country, that is full hour is the German bus, half hour Belgian bus. The line itself works line a suburban line as if there were no border, starts in center of Aachen, goes to the banlieue.
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Old December 21st, 2016, 02:28 PM   #14834
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Old December 21st, 2016, 03:43 PM   #14835
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but that's not very "integrated".
Haven't seen a statetent that only "integrated" solutions are valid to be presented here, and there is some kind of competetion to find the most integrated one. I am sorry for annoyance.
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 03:07 AM   #14836
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About the cross-border public transport.

Theoretically it's possible to cross the Polish-Slovak border in Tatras at the border crossing in Łysa Polana by taking a Polish bus to the border, crossing it on foot, and then taking the Slovak bus. Both bus stops are very close to the border.

And there are people doing so, as there is no alternative (in the summer holidays, there is a direct line operated by the Strama company, but out of this period - not).

The problem is that on the Polish side, the public transport is actually not coordinated by any official institution. So it's operated by private companies independently. Those private companies often don't publish their timetables at all.

It is quite normal in Poland in case of the cross-country, village-to-village transport, there is few areas where such transport is coordinated by the municipalities and counties. But the nearby town of Zakopane is an exception in these terms, since it is there also about the city buses! This town hasn't coordinated the city public transport for years - unlike most of the cities and bigger towns in Poland, in which there is normal city public transport. Only in April this year, they started the first official city bus line. Everything was privately operated before, and still it is so in case of most lines in Zakopane. In case of the one which can take you to the border in Łysa Polana too. So - the bus goes frequently (especially in summer, when there is many tourists who want to use it), but there is no timetable.

The problem at the Slovak side is, on the other hand, that the transport is managed by official institutions - but there is only something like 4 bus connections for a day. The Polish and the Slovak buses aren't coordinated with each other in any way.

Now the people are trying to persuade the officials to establish a permanent public transport connection at the Polish-Slovak border.

It looks so at the Polish side: https://goo.gl/maps/Cdbx8tMKUvq



At the Slovak side: https://goo.gl/maps/G3iDvK7EDcu



It's 200-300 meters to walk. To cross an open border by public transport.


A different situation is at the Polish-Ukrainian border, in Medyka/Shegini.

There are direct bus connections from Przemyśl to Lviv. But many people choose a Polish bus to the border crossing, cross the border on foot (it is allowed there - although at most border crossings it is not allowed and you must be by car) and then catch an Ukrainian bus to Lviv. This connection is cheaper and faster (because direct buses often wait in long queues at the border, the queues for pedestrians are much shorter), although less comfortable.

Now a train service from Przemyśl to Lviv, with good prices and good travel time, is gonna start, so the situation there may change and there may be less pedestrians.
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 04:46 PM   #14837
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I also know an international line in my region that crosses twice a border.

When, in 1970, railway between Canfranc and Oloron had an accident, traffic was shut down and replaced by a bus line managed by French SNCF. For a while, it was Canfranc station manager who gave start signal similar to another train (there is no longer manager in that station).

When Somport tunnel was opened, it was easier to give service via tunnel instead via Somport pass obviously, but they had to stop in the pass to give service to that corner. Due to it was better Spanish side rather than French side, bus crossed the tunnel, stopped at Canfranc, in front of railway station and kept on till Somport pass.

End of line is here... just some meters inside France (second international pass, first one is inside tunnel)

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.79579...7i13312!8i6656

and just... turn this image 180 and will see former booths!!!!

By the way, two hints

- I do not know if legal or not but they advice that in Winter, calling at Candanchu ski resort (one km before border). I do not know if they allow Canfranc-Candanchu tickets because there is a local service for the valley but... in a list I show the stop

- thanks to God, since last June this line is "only" Bedous-Canfranc due to railway line Bedous-Oloron was reopened. Buses and trains are commuted and it is fantastic seeing how they work for mobility in a such isolated área.
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Old December 24th, 2016, 02:02 PM   #14838
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Cross-border public transport in the EU is actually a huge problem. It's actually getting worse, not better - and what services do exist often consist of token runs to the first stop on the other side.

For instance, look at the bus 983 in Frankfurt (Oder). It goes into Poland, but it isn't much more than a symbolic hourly service, and it doesn't serve much of Słubice, including the huge marketplace. It's better than what was there, but it isn't much. It's the same story with train connections - probably one of the most notable exceptions is the regional train service that goes from Wrocław to Pardubice.

So the situation at Łysa Polana is nothing unusual.

But in fairness, when you use these cross-border services, you can see that they tend to be used as local trains within countries and the amount of traffic crossing the border is quite light.
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Old December 26th, 2016, 01:24 AM   #14839
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Yesterday there was 12-hour queue between Croatia and Serbia!
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Old December 26th, 2016, 01:28 AM   #14840
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Yesterday there was 12-hour queue between Croatia and Serbia!
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