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Old February 19th, 2017, 02:05 AM   #14921
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This is a Croatian road through Slovenia, so apparently you can't drive there any more (or you have to show documents to get from Croatia to Croatia). Say thanks to Angela Merkel!
There is an Estonian road crossing into Russia, there was a Yugoslavian road crossing into Italy during the Cold War, and now a Croatian road crossing into Slovenia is a big deal (they are both in EU, so should have friendly relations).
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old February 19th, 2017, 02:11 AM   #14922
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The Yugoslav/Slovenian road through Italy was (and still is) walled off from the rest of Italy. It would indeed be better if Croatia just built a new road through its territory since it's so short.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 05:14 AM   #14923
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Was planned for 2012. Now nobody is talking about this anymore, although EU officially recognized that both Romania and Bulgaria have qualified under all criterias to join at any time. One reason for not getting in might be the buffer-area it provides against immigrants comming from the east, which some EU states don't want to disappear.
But 2012 was before the migration crisis...

Well, you must persuade the EU that you will protect the external EU border well, not like Greeks did.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 07:22 AM   #14924
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If Romania and Bulgaria join Schengen and Greece still doesn't protect its borders properly, the immigrants would have a free route to western Europe through RO and BG... I think this is the main issue now.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 11:22 AM   #14925
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There is an Estonian road crossing into Russia, there was a Yugoslavian road crossing into Italy during the Cold War, and now a Croatian road crossing into Slovenia is a big deal (they are both in EU, so should have friendly relations).
It's not a big deal or closed, it was for a short time when workers were assembling the gates.

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Old February 19th, 2017, 11:44 AM   #14926
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This is Facebook and other media - some of my colegues living on Croatian side of Istria, mostly in Buzet area, after this temporalny closure, are very concerned about future ralations with neighbours ( rather on a political, than other level) in Slovenia. Comments on FB are like, the closure would have been a spark to begin a new conflict, or so. Most of them are born in sixties or seventies, though
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Old February 19th, 2017, 01:35 PM   #14927
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These are old custom booths here

https://www.google.es/maps/place/Est...!6m1!1e1?hl=es

between Spain and France. Picture is from France looking to Spain

Right building has been refurbished for a cultural lounge and is having several exhibitions (50-50 in each country cos line cross in the middle)



Have a look to the image and later to the google image in the right... it is the same building.


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it is an official press release and free to be copied full providing source is linked... but it is entirely in Spanish
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Old February 19th, 2017, 02:28 PM   #14928
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When does Romania plan to enter Schengen? Was the process slowed down by the migration crisis?
It was slowed down even before by the unpopularity of mass Romanian migration to Western Europe (even though border checks have NO bearin on this). The fact that the secondary border crossings which were built for the time we join Schengen have been opened with border police posts suggests that no one is hoping to join Schengen any time soon.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 03:28 PM   #14929
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But 2012 was before the migration crisis...



Well, you must persuade the EU that you will protect the external EU border well, not like Greeks did.


Think air boders will be subject to Schengen regulations first for Romania and Bulgaria but maybe also for Croatia. I surmise that they gonna take all 3 countries in as a package after elections in France and Germany.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 03:33 PM   #14930
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It is not mentioned in the article, but I am sure that all EU citizens can cross there. Not sure about non-EU though...



Was planned for 2012. Now nobody is talking about this anymore, although EU officially recognized that both Romania and Bulgaria have qualified under all criterias to join at any time. One reason for not getting in might be the buffer-area it provides against immigrants comming from the east, which some EU states don't want to disappear.
Is there a law that states that all inner-EU border crossings have to be open to all EU citizens?
I'm asking because local border crossings between Italy and Slovenia were opened only to local residents (10km from the border) until Slovenia joined Schengen.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 03:35 PM   #14931
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Think air boders will be subject to Schengen regulations first for Romania and Bulgaria but maybe also for Croatia. I surmise that they gonna take all 3 countries in as a package after elections in France and Germany.
Istria/Venezia Giulia area will become border-less for the first time since 1947!
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 03:42 PM   #14932
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The huge numbers of migrants and the chickenish response of the former Eastblockers & Western right wing idiots have indeed halted the expansion of the Schengen plan regarding Romania and Bulgaria. To make it even worse, those Western idiots like UKIP took the influx of former Eastblockers as a rason to close the borders -- by leaving the EU.

So all the people from Estonia to Bulgaria now are fullfilling a strange double role as the bullies and the bullied at the same time. However, the situation in Romania is different from all the other countries east of the torn-down Iron Curtain: There is no bigger populist, nationalist, authoritarian party -- neither in the gouvernment, nor in the opposition, so that even in this time of political disaccordance in that country, the situation is much better than for example in Hungary.

Worst case scenario is that Hungary becomes even more estranged from the EU. The other western neighbour, Serbia, is actually nowhere close to the EU, since the political issues of the Balkans had not been solved by the Dayton agreement and need still to be sorted out. Worst case here is also the new outbreak of civil war or waponised unrest.

So despite of relatively stable politics -- the current demonstrations in Romania show that attempts to undermine standards of transparancy and democracy weren't taken well by the people on the streets and the gouvernment is under a lot of pressure for trying to do so -- the country is threatened to become isolated from the rest of Europe, surronded by nationalist regimes which ultimately will find "Gayropa" is the enemy once the money flow from Brussels stops as a result of the intolerant and antidemocratic policies in those countries.

So for all border control fetishists, the Visegrad nations are the place to be.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 05:56 PM   #14933
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this year German government already sent home 80 thousand "refugees".

http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschla...rkunftslaender

And by the way, Romanian and Bulgarian Schengen accession was halted years before the migrant crisis, namely around 2011. Mainly by the Dutch and the French.

Greetings from pro-EU Hungary.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 07:21 PM   #14934
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I'm asking because local border crossings between Italy and Slovenia were opened only to local residents (10km from the border) until Slovenia joined Schengen.
Are you sure? If I remember correctly, all crossings were opened to all EU/EEA citizens after Slovenia joined the EU, perhaps not in 2004, but certainly before Schengen implementation. The same happened when Croatia joined the EU, although it didn't happen immediately, so it may indeed be a bilateral issue.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 07:30 PM   #14935
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So for all border control fetishists, the Visegrad nations are the place to be.
Wrong. France is this place. Border controls to every neighbouring country (with all except Andorra being Schengen members), creating important traffic jams. This in the country whose politicians found the Hungarian fence at the Schengen external border so "un-European".
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Old February 19th, 2017, 07:33 PM   #14936
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this year German government already sent home 80 thousand "refugees".

http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschla...rkunftslaender
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Old February 19th, 2017, 07:43 PM   #14937
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Are you sure? If I remember correctly, all crossings were opened to all EU/EEA citizens after Slovenia joined the EU, perhaps not in 2004, but certainly before Schengen implementation. The same happened when Croatia joined the EU, although it didn't happen immediately, so it may indeed be a bilateral issue.
Interstate border crossings (with Austria) were open for EU citizens already before 2004... except that there was no interstate border crossing between Slovenia and Italy, only international and local.
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Old February 20th, 2017, 10:26 AM   #14938
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And now an info about the Lithuanian/Belarusian Šumskas/Loša border crossing. It is now (since Friday) available for all people and open 24 hours. However, you may drive through only by car or by bike, not by bus, truck nor walk through. (source)

More info on the Lithuanian and Belarusian border guards' office.

I think this is the 1st time Belarus and an EU-country open a fully international border crossing without customs officers, only with border guards! This means you may not cross here if you have something to declare!


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Old February 20th, 2017, 03:51 PM   #14939
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Interstate border crossings (with Austria) were open for EU citizens already before 2004... except that there was no interstate border crossing between Slovenia and Italy, only international and local.
Exactly. Before 2007 there were 12 international border crossings (valichi di 1° categoria) open to everybody (Fusine, Predil, Uccea, Stupizza, Vencň, Gorizia Casa Rossa, Gorizia Sant'Andrea, Fernetti, Lipica, Pesek, Rabuiese and Lazzaretto) and many local border crossings (valichi di 2° categoria) open only to holders of a document called lasciapassare or propusnica, that was granted only to people living less than 10 km from the border.
This arrangement was already in force during Yugoslavia and continued after Slovenian independence.
There was another category of border crossings called "valichi agricoli" (agricultural border crossings), that were opened only to people having lands on the other side. I don't know whether they remained in use after Slovenian independence or not.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old February 20th, 2017, 04:03 PM   #14940
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I think this is the 1st time Belarus and an EU-country open a fully international border crossing without customs officers, only with border guards! This means you may not cross here if you have something to declare!
So how can you enter Belarus with your own car if there is no customs service? You must temporary import your car into Belarus and this was done by customs officers.
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