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Old February 20th, 2017, 08:49 PM   #14941
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What about the compulsory health insurance for Belarus, is it still around? This little crossing doesn't look like they sold it right there.
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Old February 20th, 2017, 08:56 PM   #14942
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So how can you enter Belarus with your own car if there is no customs service? You must temporary import your car into Belarus and this was done by customs officers.
Maybe this was changed? Albania also celebrated something like this a few years ago. And then it was gone...
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Old February 20th, 2017, 08:59 PM   #14943
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It was in 2015, but it was already needed when I applied for the visa. Without it there is no visa. I hope that visas will go away.
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Old February 20th, 2017, 11:00 PM   #14944
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I've read somewhere that since September 2016 the border between Russia and Belarus is closed to non-Russians/Belarusian nationals.
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Old February 20th, 2017, 11:33 PM   #14945
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So how can you enter Belarus with your own car if there is no customs service? You must temporary import your car into Belarus and this was done by customs officers.
Maybe you find someone with a BY car to drive you in
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Old February 20th, 2017, 11:39 PM   #14946
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I've read somewhere that since September 2016 the border between Russia and Belarus is closed to non-Russians/Belarusian nationals.
That's true, but since beginning of February Russia started to make controls on the border with Belarus, officially due to the fact that now you can go to Belarus with no visa for 5 days if you flight directly to Minsk. So Russians are afraid that many people will illegally go to Russia. I suppose that since they put controls on the border 3rd country nationals can again go to russia through Belarus.
Anyway the health insurance is still needed.
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Old February 21st, 2017, 12:43 AM   #14947
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The last time I got a Russian visa health insurance was mandatory for the full duration of the visa.
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Old February 21st, 2017, 01:20 AM   #14948
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About health insurance I was referring to Belarus. But you are right, except for business 1 year russian visa, where it is enough health insurance covering your 1st travel.
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Old February 21st, 2017, 10:50 AM   #14949
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Maybe this was changed? Albania also celebrated something like this a few years ago. And then it was gone...
No, it was not changed. In almost all non-EU countries of former Soviet Union you need to make a temporary import of your car (even into Ukraine which you don't need visa for entry). Belarus still follows those procedures as they have common Customs Union with Russia.
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Old February 21st, 2017, 01:59 PM   #14950
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So Russians are afraid that many people will illegally go to Russia.
Why would anybody go illegally to Russia?
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Old February 21st, 2017, 02:43 PM   #14951
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Two years ago when we were in Minsk with a car, we wondered what would happen if we visit Russia for a day without Russian visa (Smolensk is close to Belarus border) - we had Belarus visa but there was no border control on Belarus/Russian border. This is no problem in Schengen EU, so for example if you're visiting Vienna you can easily say "let's go to Bratislava for a day" and do.
We didn't take a risk as all complications to get to Belarus were enough.
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Old February 21st, 2017, 03:11 PM   #14952
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Why would anybody go illegally to Russia?
Why not? Wouldnt you be tempted? On internet you can find fora where people discussed about this issue, some went illegali to Belarus from Russia and werent controlled.
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Old February 21st, 2017, 05:16 PM   #14953
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The last time I got a Russian visa health insurance was mandatory for the full duration of the visa.
If you have like a MasterCard Gold insurance, I guess that should be ok, right? Or do they want some special insurance?
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Old February 21st, 2017, 06:16 PM   #14954
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If you have like a MasterCard Gold insurance, I guess that should be ok, right? Or do they want some special insurance?
They want health insurance covering Russia or the World, with special requests. If those requests are covered by the Mastercard Gold you should print a paper explaining what is covering and the maximum amount.
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Old February 21st, 2017, 08:21 PM   #14955
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So how can you enter Belarus with your own car if there is no customs service? You must temporary import your car into Belarus and this was done by customs officers.
I usually bring my customs declaration already filled. You can find it here. In Russian, Belarusian, English, Polish, French, German. As I understand, contrary to what happens in other border crossings, you will not that have available on-spot. You will have to bring yours, already filled.
However, here I wonder if somehow we are bound to register that declaration also on the Internet before driving to Šumskas/Loša.
To me the only thing that seems clear that you may not bring anything that must be declared or load your car with cigarettes/alcohol over the customs limit.

When I will cross there for the 1st time or I will get more info from people that started crossing there, I will tell you more

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Maybe you find someone with a BY car to drive you in
Not exactly the best idea as I heard BY-cars won't be able to cross there. I am awaiting confirmation of this info. This is what they write on the Website:

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По согласованию с литовской стороной, пропуск транспортных средств, зарегистрированных за пределами Беларуси, в пункте пропуска «Лоша – Шумскас" будет осуществляться при наличии удостоверения ввоза на транспортное средство.
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"Richtgeschwindigkeit" should be the default system in all EU motorways & expressways & lane indiscipline should be harshly fought! Down with radars on motorways!

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Old February 21st, 2017, 11:21 PM   #14956
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Not exactly the best idea as I heard BY-cars won't be able to cross there. I am awaiting confirmation of this info. This is what they write on the Website:
It's strange a border crossing not open to people from one of the two countries.
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 12:49 AM   #14957
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Like in Soviet Union.
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 03:26 AM   #14958
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And now an info about the Lithuanian/Belarusian Šumskas/Loša border crossing. It is now (since Friday) available for all people and open 24 hours. However, you may drive through only by car or by bike, not by bus, truck nor walk through. (source)
Weird that bikes are allowed and pedestrians not... Unless you meant motorbikes.

Most eastern Polish crossings are car (motor vehicle)-only. The only one which allows pedestrians is, from what I know, the Medyka-Shegini one. And a touristic one in the Białowieża forest.

And this is something I can somehow understand from the smuggling point of view (although - is it really more difficult to check a man than to check a man and his car? it should be easier to hide something in your car than when you are just alone), but then, cyclists and pedestrians are quite similar...
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 09:14 AM   #14959
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It has been already 2 years since pedestrians can cross neither Medininkai/Kamienny Łoh, neither Lavoriškės/Katlouka. You can cross by motorbikes and by bikes though - I've seen that in person.
To me not being able to cross by foot is idiotic. Yesteryear you could leave someone at the border, and that person was picked up by someone else on the other side. Now, the same person must either pay for a train, bus, or ask unknown people to bring her to the other side of the border
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 10:49 AM   #14960
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Weird that bikes are allowed and pedestrians not... Unless you meant motorbikes.

Most eastern Polish crossings are car (motor vehicle)-only. The only one which allows pedestrians is, from what I know, the Medyka-Shegini one. And a touristic one in the Białowieża forest.

And this is something I can somehow understand from the smuggling point of view (although - is it really more difficult to check a man than to check a man and his car? it should be easier to hide something in your car than when you are just alone), but then, cyclists and pedestrians are quite similar...
The border crossing between Russia and Norway is open to any vehicle (including bicycles), but not to pedestrians. There was a period when many Syrian refugees tried to enter Europe by this crossing, so people in Kola peninsula made a lot of business by selling old cheap bycicles to them, as they would need them to cross the border. However these bikes were really crap, often without basic things like functioning brakes, so they had to be thrown away just after the border as they weren't legal in Norway.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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