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Old February 22nd, 2017, 04:21 PM   #14961
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To me the only thing that seems clear that you may not bring anything that must be declared or load your car with cigarettes/alcohol over the customs limit.
From my experience from 5 similar border crossings (LT-BY, BY-UA, UA-PL, FI-RU, RU-LV) you could smuggle almost anything as no one looked much into luggage (just a quick swipe with eyes), but tons of paperwork had to be correct and exact. Bureaucracy at its best.
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 05:31 PM   #14962
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The border crossing between Russia and Norway is open to any vehicle (including bicycles), but not to pedestrians.
The whole Russian border is forbidden for pedestrians.
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 08:42 PM   #14963
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The border crossing between Russia and Norway is open to any vehicle (including bicycles), but not to pedestrians. There was a period when many Syrian refugees tried to enter Europe by this crossing, so people in Kola peninsula made a lot of business by selling old cheap bycicles to them, as they would need them to cross the border. However these bikes were really crap, often without basic things like functioning brakes, so they had to be thrown away just after the border as they weren't legal in Norway.
From what I know, the Polish-Ukrainian, Polish-Belarussian and Polish-Russian (Kaliningrad Region) crossings are not open for cyclists. You must have at least a motorcycle.

The exception is Medyka-Shegini, which is open for pedestrians too (and used by them intensively - many people take a Polish minibus from Przemyśl to the border, cross it on foot and take a Ukrainian minibus to Lviv, there is also the usual border traffic related to local trade of goods cheaper in one country or in the other).
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 09:13 PM   #14964
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From my experience from 5 similar border crossings (LT-BY, BY-UA, UA-PL, FI-RU, RU-LV) you could smuggle almost anything as no one looked much into luggage (just a quick swipe with eyes), but tons of paperwork had to be correct and exact. Bureaucracy at its best.
Well, even now the 2/3 of times I crossed the Lithuanian/Belarusian border they made me open the trunk without even looking what's in there. Just to say that they did it. It's what Poles call "formality for formality"
The only time I was entirely verified was the 1st and last time I crossed Kamienny Loh/Medininkai when coming back to Vilnius (now I cross it only sometimes when I drive towards Belarus). It was on the Lithuanian side.
However, at the same border crossing, on the Belarusian side I had once a very bizarre customs officer. He looked intrigued by a... phone charger (!) He made me open my very small glove compartment, half of which was taken by... my car manufacturer's instructions , of which he looked very interested (perhaps because it is in French). I thought it was all, but when he made me open my trunk I was fearing the worst (that he'll make me open everything and I'd waste a lot of time). And know what? He just took a jerrycan I always bring with me to Belarus and - surprised - he said "oh, it's empty!". I told him "Of course it's empty! Have you seen petrol prices on the Lithuanian side?!?" (I thought "Man, what planet do you live in?!? I pay half the Lithuanian price in Belarus! Why should I bring a full jerrycan to BY?!?"). Then, as he was extremely interested by a beautiful Belarusian girl that was also crossing the border, he let me go.

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From what I know, the Polish-Ukrainian, Polish-Belarussian and Polish-Russian (Kaliningrad Region) crossings are not open for cyclists. You must have at least a motorcycle.

The exception is Medyka-Shegini, which is open for pedestrians too (and used by them intensively - many people take a Polish minibus from Przemyśl to the border, cross it on foot and take a Ukrainian minibus to Lviv, there is also the usual border traffic related to local trade of goods cheaper in one country or in the other).
I haven't seen any bikes crossing at Medininkai/Kamienny Loh, but I've seen more than one at Lavoriškės/Katloŭka. I'm pretty confident I will see a couple of them at Šumskas/Loša
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 11:52 PM   #14965
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Mexico-US Port of Entry between Tijuana and San Diego.

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Old February 23rd, 2017, 12:31 AM   #14966
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The whole Russian border is forbidden for pedestrians.
Estonian-Russian border can be crossed on foot in Narva/Ivangorod.
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 02:15 AM   #14967
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... and most like Koidula/Pechory as well.

I haven't seen that border crossing with my own eyes, but what I have seen is the schematic map of the railway company ELRON. Pechory (being nowadays in Russia and spelled in Estonian as Petseri) is not served, but Koidula is, and the scheme looks like there is a pedestrian connection between these.

http://elron.ee/wp-content/uploads/2...kodulehele.pdf
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 02:47 AM   #14968
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It was in 2015, but it was already needed when I applied for the visa. Without it there is no visa. I hope that visas will go away.
Belarus is very concerned of EU citizens illegally immigrating into their country
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 03:35 AM   #14969
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The whole Russian border is forbidden for pedestrians.
Narva-1 and Narva-2 are open to pedestrians - Narva-2 is actually a pedestrian-only crossing. So is the Bridge of Queen Louise crossing between LT-RU (you can see the crossing here).

About other ones - Dołhobyczów - Uhryniv (PL/UA) is open to all, while the one between PL-BY at the Augustów Canal is also open to pedestrian traffic alongside the crossing in the Białowieża Park. I'm not sure if Kuźnica Białostocka - Bruzgi reopened for pedestrians, though the BY restrictions were much more about preventing Belarusians from buying stuff abroad than anything else.

The insane thing is that there's really no reason why crossings cannot be for pedestrians too. The lack of pedestrian infrastructure isn't an issue at other Schengen crossings, especially smaller ones. I've crossed many of the HR crossings with BiH and SLO on foot, even before 2013, and it was a non-issue to cross the road to show my passport.
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 09:51 AM   #14970
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In Narva/Ivangorod it is not really surprising. When you walk by the Narva river, you can see both Narva and Ivangorod fortresses facing each other.

In Panemunė/Sovetsk it is more or less the same configuration - 1 town, 2 countries, so it's fair enough.

But forbidding pedestrians to cross between LT and BY is totally impossible to understand for me - the infrastructure for pedestrians exists on both sides!... They have the same instruments to verify pedestrians as in airports! What are they so afraid of?!?...

One of these I'll try to cross

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Old February 23rd, 2017, 01:55 PM   #14971
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Belarus is very concerned of EU citizens illegally immigrating into their country
Well, if someone has problems with law in the EU, a good idea could be to flee to a country which has not much to do with the EU, and Belarus might be not a bad choice.
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 04:01 PM   #14972
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Why would anybody go illegally to Russia?
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Why not? Wouldnt you be tempted? On internet you can find fora where people discussed about this issue, some went illegali to Belarus from Russia and werent controlled.
Just asking, because I do not know. Usually the masses of illegal immigrants flow in the opposite direction.
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 04:12 PM   #14973
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Just asking, because I do not know. Usually the masses of illegal immigrants flow in the opposite direction.
I tried to cross illegally the Tunisian/Algerian border in 2000 (at that time, it was open solely for people having family on each side). When I heard my-then-girlfriend screaming desperately my name and saw a Tunisian borderguard pointing at me with his Kalashnikoff, I backed up

Btw, the two fortresses: Narva (Estonia) and Ivangorod (Russia) in one pic. You can also see the border bridge
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 04:14 PM   #14974
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I wasnt thinking about those illegal immigrants. I was thinknig about normal tourists tempted to go to Russia or viceversa witohut visa. Anyway the Russian reaction is a result of a mix things: Polish suspension of the agreement on small borr crossing coopertion between Kaliningrad region and polish border regions, smuggling of products banned by Russia through Belarus, Ukrainians illegal workers and probably forcing Belarus to accept finally a common visa policy.
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 06:45 PM   #14975
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I crossed illegally into Slovenia from Italy back in 2006. However it was just few meters into a forest and back.
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 07:48 PM   #14976
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I crossed illegally into Slovenia from Italy back in 2006. However it was just few meters into a forest and back.
How different are the demarcation lines in Google maps compared to treaties/agreements/ratifications in real life ?

If there was no signpost or anything, how would you know that you weren't still in Italy ?
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 07:51 PM   #14977
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How different are the demarcation lines in Google maps compared to treaties/agreements/ratifications in real life ?

If there was no signpost or anything, how would you know that you weren't still in Italy ?
There were border stones.
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 09:46 PM   #14978
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I cross ex Rapallo border in Rijeka, Matulji, Kastav (Fiume, Mattuglie, Castua), since 10.02.1947 in Croatia, every day.
Better than Schengen! :-))))))
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Btw, the two fortresses: Narva (Estonia) and Ivangorod (Russia) in one pic.
This is the same view as there was in the banknote of 5 EEK before the euro.
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Old February 24th, 2017, 12:42 AM   #14980
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About 5 years ago I discovered that my house is located around 1.5km from the border between Austrian Empire and Venetian Republic before 1797.
The whole area was a complex mix of enclaves and exclaves similar to Baarle Hertog/Nassau.
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