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Old April 2nd, 2017, 03:56 PM   #15121
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Btw, i still dont get why Croatia is still a candidate Schengen country. With all the funds they got to improve borders, they are still not even considered to get in. A brand new airport terminal was opened some days ago in Zagreb that meets all the criteria. Lets hope the land borders will get an overhaul soon. Just think Slovenia made it in only 3 years from EU to EU Schengen.
Croatia still isn't technically ready, especially with airport infrastructure at some airports. Most of the land crossings are ready, though. It's also political, as it would be impossible to admit Croatia without admitting Romania and Bulgaria, which no-one wants to do now.

Having said this, I still think there should be far more crossings with BiH, especially in places such as Martin Brod where there's a huge distance between international border crossings.
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 04:24 PM   #15122
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Btw, i still dont get why Croatia is still a candidate Schengen country. With all the funds they got to improve borders, they are still not even considered to get in. A brand new airport terminal was opened some days ago in Zagreb that meets all the criteria. Lets hope the land borders will get an overhaul soon. Just think Slovenia made it in only 3 years from EU to EU Schengen.
It's rather a political than a technical question. Nowadays even inner Schengen borders are guarded (H-A, A-D, for example), it has no sense to let Croatia enter the Schengen treaty and control the borders even after that because of the migrant crisis.
I don't expect Schengen area to be expanded in the Balkan in the following yeara.
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 04:28 PM   #15123
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Isn't it just a matter of an end of the migrant crisis?
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 05:42 PM   #15124
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Schengen doesn't mean it's a passport free zone. It means you can cross inner Schengen borders without showing your passport or ID, except with extraordinary situations. As a foreigner you still have to be able to identify yourself and thus to be able to prove that your stay is legal. Your means of identification of your nationality could be a passport, ID or a residence permit.
Switzerland doesn't have any special status regarding Schengen. It is a Schengen member state.


My bad. CH is special with regards to EU though but thats OT.
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 06:07 PM   #15125
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Isn't it just a matter of an end of the migrant crisis?
No.
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Brexit is a disaster for Europe because of the English language itself!

The Western Balkans is already in Europe i.e., it is in the heart of Europe and all of these nations want and deserve to have the same chance,
the same security and the same rights as all other citizens of the European family, right on their own continent."

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MK A AL B BiH BG HR CZ EST F FIN D GR H I LT MNE NL SRB SK SLO E TR PL RKS
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 06:14 PM   #15126
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Sounds like a poor attempt from the EU to show a middle finger to Erdogan.

I bet he already has the team digging the tunnels. I am sure the Americans would have that fence along Mexico already if it worked.
I really don't know, what I think of is the fact that EU is distancing from Turkey, and trying to hug the Balkan in their own yard, but at the same time they apply some double standards to the Balkan area, which is an ethnic and historical mix of disputes, conflicts, problems and unsolved bilateral issues between neighbouring states so we can't go with each other quite well. That said anything can happen since they are not interested in this region anymore.
The migrant crisis was only used in this region to stop the flow, while these countries haven't got anything in return.
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The Western Balkans is already in Europe i.e., it is in the heart of Europe and all of these nations want and deserve to have the same chance,
the same security and the same rights as all other citizens of the European family, right on their own continent."

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MK A AL B BiH BG HR CZ EST F FIN D GR H I LT MNE NL SRB SK SLO E TR PL RKS

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Old April 2nd, 2017, 09:14 PM   #15127
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My bad. CH is special with regards to EU though but thats OT.
About the CH/N/FL/IS borders within Schengen - it was agreed at the time of accession of N/IS that Customs controls would remain on the borders, but that they would be risk based (like the Northern Ireland-Republic of Ireland border between 1969-1993) rather than comprehensive.

There are some serious questions about what is going to happen on the 7th April when all travellers across Schengen borders will have to have their identities checked against databases rather than the current visual check for EU citizens. Will it be introduced in reality, or will the 'total checks' be introduced only at the hard EU borders such as PL-RU?
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 09:30 PM   #15128
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Switzerland doesn't have any special status regarding Schengen. It is a Schengen member state.
Sure it has.

The original Schengen Agreement was later supplemented by the Schengen Convention (which implemented the free crossings at the internal borders). Both of them have later been merged into the EU legislation by the Amsterdam Treaty in 1999.

As Switzerland is not an EU state, the EU legislation, of course, does not apply to it.

The expansion of the Schengen area to non-EU countries did not take place by granting a membership to the agreement. Instead, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein each have an association agreement with the EU to implement all the necessary activities needed to join the area.

Thus for the travellers, Switzerland is almost like any other country in the Schengen areas, but it is based on a special status.
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 10:35 PM   #15129
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Miren cemetery (Italy-Slovenia border)

One of the most absurd situation emerged from the re-draw of European borders after WWII happened near Gorizia, on the new border between Italy and Yugoslavia. The village of Merna/Miren, just south of Gorizia was assigned to Yugoslavia, but its cemetery was crossed by the new border line. They put barbed wire across it and the Italian part became unaccessible. tombs crossed by the line were removed and bodies buried elsewhere.
The situation was solved with the Osimo treaty in 1976, that moved the border line putting the entire cemetery inside Yugoslavia.


In black the old border

Now there is a line within the cemetery to remember the old border and in 2012 there's a little museum related to the old border

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Old April 2nd, 2017, 11:59 PM   #15130
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One of the most absurd situation emerged from the re-draw of European borders after WWII happened near Gorizia, on the new border between Italy and Yugoslavia. The village of Merna/Miren, just south of Gorizia was assigned to Yugoslavia, but its cemetery was crossed by the new border line. They put barbed wire across it and the Italian part became unaccessible. tombs crossed by the line were removed and bodies buried elsewhere.
The situation was solved with the Osimo treaty in 1976, that moved the border line putting the entire cemetery inside Yugoslavia.


In black the old border

Now there is a line within the cemetery to remember the old border and in 2012 there's a little museum related to the old border

Oh my God. Did they draw the lines while they were drunk?? like in Africa with the straight lines with rulers.
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Old April 3rd, 2017, 12:04 AM   #15131
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Does it say 1947 and 1974? Looks more like 1919 and 4774.
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Old April 3rd, 2017, 12:05 AM   #15132
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Oh my God. Did they draw the lines while they were drunk?? like in Africa with the straight lines with rulers.
They established two random points and drew a straight line between them, ignoring that there was a cemetery in between. They needed 30 years to solve that absurd situation.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old April 3rd, 2017, 12:22 AM   #15133
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About the CH/N/FL/IS borders within Schengen - it was agreed at the time of accession of N/IS that Customs controls would remain on the borders, but that they would be risk based (like the Northern Ireland-Republic of Ireland border between 1969-1993) rather than comprehensive.

There are some serious questions about what is going to happen on the 7th April when all travellers across Schengen borders will have to have their identities checked against databases rather than the current visual check for EU citizens. Will it be introduced in reality, or will the 'total checks' be introduced only at the hard EU borders such as PL-RU?

Good question.

Here is the bill that has passed where things are written black and white: http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/...16-INIT/en/pdf

Exploit the freedom of speech and pose a question to the European Commission. They actually respond to questions from the general public
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Old April 3rd, 2017, 12:36 AM   #15134
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Does it say 1947 and 1974? Looks more like 1919 and 4774.
I thought the same thing but... read it in vertical!!!!!

19-47
19-74
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Old April 3rd, 2017, 12:55 AM   #15135
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Well. In the years 1945 to 1951, the Polish town Świnoujście (formerly German Swinemünde) had to import drinking water from the East Germany since the well supplying the town with water turned out to be located on the German side

Now, the border has such a comic shape:

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Old April 3rd, 2017, 01:08 AM   #15136
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They established two random points and drew a straight line between them, ignoring that there was a cemetery in between. They needed 30 years to solve that absurd situation.
Gorizia is really one of a kind. Its astonishing to think about because it was really a Berlin nr 2 at that time. There are stories where it reminisces peoples life right at the border.. The struggle of visiting families and to go to school, hospitals, post offices etc. And to buy Hubba Bubba gum (much better than Bazooka gum) !! thats important when you're a kid lol
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^ I disagree, Bazooka is better than Hubba Bubba.
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Some farmers have actually moved the border marks at night if the border devided their land right after U.S. solidares marked it. And they've got us little more of Slovenia.
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Old April 3rd, 2017, 11:43 AM   #15139
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Lets take it to the extreme:

“My uncle on the other side had a stable on this side, also on the border. One morning,he found a dead person inside, which later turned out to be an Italian citizen. He called the Italian police, but they were afraid to enter the stable because it was in Yugoslavia. They told him to drag the body out with an ox, but he didn’t want to. So they reported it to our guys.When the border guards arrived, they couldn’t go in the stable because the entrance was on the Italian side. And they weren’t allowed to cross the border. So they tore down part of the wall and dragged away the body. After the autopsy they returned it to the Italians, who evenhad to pay for its transport.”...

Malnič, Topografija, 336.

And yes I got a screw loose when I read it. After a quick google search, I found an interesting article about it.
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Old April 3rd, 2017, 01:31 PM   #15140
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Back to 21st century...

A hospital is built in Puigcerda (https://www.google.es/maps/@42.43209...2235,12z?hl=es) with an agreement to be used by both sides of the border (three sides if we consider there is an enclave there).
Town hasn't enough population for a hospital, French side hasn't population at all but all joined can afford a hospital. It is barely 2 km away from border.

Till here, everything OK. French citizens have their translators into French (and many of them speak Catalan, and some of them Spanish) and all health assistance can be given in the surroundings...


But two hints for French.


- Should a French woman choose that hospital, even if it is the only that gives support for French citizens in that area, it will be considered a foreign born. This is, family will have to record child in the French consulate at Barcelona (not near at all) and a lot of issues will require to ask papers to consulate.
Why on hell they do not allow to write down babies in the nearest office?.
I remember that Spanish children born in Andorra were registered always in La Seu for a long time. Nowadays in the embassy but you have the chance to choose hospital now.

It is a French issue that... maybe they should have to consider


- Due to European laws, any death cannot cross borders in an "open box". They must be metal boxes, closed on hospital and cannot be opened again. It is not often but, let's consider a car accident in the French side in surroundings. They will go asap to hospital. Let's consider there's a fatality.... and relatives have to deal all things in Puigcerda because death person have to go home in a metal box impossible to be reopened...

That's European issue, indeed
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