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Old April 8th, 2017, 09:10 PM   #15181
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Does anyone knows if UE non-Schengen countries apply the same policy (i.e. scannng every ID) ?
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Old April 8th, 2017, 09:14 PM   #15182
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Are there any major traffic jams at the French and British sides of the Channel Tunnel?
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Old April 8th, 2017, 09:31 PM   #15183
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Does anyone knows if UE non-Schengen countries apply the same policy (i.e. scannng every ID) ?
Romania yes.
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Old April 8th, 2017, 09:40 PM   #15184
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I do not believe a delay of 1-2 hours at the external borders would qualify as a disproportionate impact on traffic flows.
External to what? Croatia is an EU member state. Not to mention that there is a lot of daily commute going on between Zagreb and Slovenia. If you add 2 hours on that, it's destructive, it will affect the economy. Also Istrian tourism relies on Slovenian weekend holidaymakers, but you won't see them much this summer if they have to wait for hours at the border. And I can't even imagine what it will look like in general during the summer when millions of tourists from Central Europe start flocking Croatia together with Turkish gastarbeiters. The entire Slovenia will be clogged.
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Old April 8th, 2017, 09:49 PM   #15185
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Heavy jams (up to 7 km) are reported also from yesterday on Greek-Bulgarian border in Promahonas/Kulata. Greece and Bulgaria are both EU members, but only Greece is also a Schengen member, so this border is considered as an external Schengen border. All id's and passports both greek and bulgarian are scanned by greek authorities. It is obvious that during summer months, when thousand of Bulgarians are heading to Northern greek seashores for holidays there will be huge problems.
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Old April 8th, 2017, 10:20 PM   #15186
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News: the Slovenian police have stopped checking all passengers.
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Old April 8th, 2017, 10:23 PM   #15187
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One kind of solution could be to allow Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria to have access to the Schengen system and database at least and do the job of external EU countries. I would allow that access also to non EU members like Serbia or Macedonia. So in this case the external controls would be only to UA, RUS, BY and Turkey.
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Old April 8th, 2017, 10:29 PM   #15188
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I wonder how they will apply this policy this summer, with thousands og cars crossing these borders daily.
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Old April 9th, 2017, 12:03 AM   #15189
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External to what? Croatia is an EU member state.
You are not aware that the Schengen area is not the same thing as the EU?
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Old April 9th, 2017, 12:54 AM   #15190
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News: the Slovenian police have stopped checking all passengers.


What does that mean ? How come ?
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Old April 9th, 2017, 01:42 AM   #15191
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What does that mean ? How come ?
I don't know about Slovenia, but Croatia has called the European Commissioner for Migration, Home Affairs and Citizenship, Dimitris Avramopoulos, and agreed with him to temporarily stop checking all passengers on its border with Slovenia and Hungary (I don't know whether Hungarians are still checking everyone).
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Old April 9th, 2017, 02:53 AM   #15192
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After the civil war in, did Croatia put minefields in the border with Slovenia like the ones at the Bosnia - Croatia border?
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Old April 9th, 2017, 03:10 AM   #15193
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(I don't know whether Hungarians are still checking everyone).
Saturday's Hungarian news do not mention anything about suspension of the new "systematic" controls. Hours of waiting time for exiting Hungary are reported again.

According to the police border information, the longest waiting times of 3 hours has manifested at the Csanádpalota motorway crossing (H -> RO), but also at Röszke (H -> SRB), it took 2 hours to cross.

The prime minister's chief security adviser stated that those hit hardest by these new extended controls are "our own citizens", who in most cases have no malicious intentions when crossing a border.

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Old April 9th, 2017, 10:15 AM   #15194
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After the civil war in, did Croatia put minefields in the border with Slovenia like the ones at the Bosnia - Croatia border?
Minefields were on the front lines, not international borders.
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Old April 9th, 2017, 10:41 AM   #15195
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Waiting times are now much shorter as Croatia also stopped checking all passengers on borders.
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Old April 9th, 2017, 11:39 AM   #15196
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About Istrian borders, in Italian.
http://www.triesteprima.it/cronaca/i...errorismo.html
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Old April 9th, 2017, 03:01 PM   #15197
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After the civil war in, did Croatia put minefields in the border with Slovenia like the ones at the Bosnia - Croatia border?
No, not at all. The border remained pretty much wide open until around 2000-1 when Slovenia started to prepare for EU entry. The real changes came in 2004 when Slovenia closed many unofficial crossings that were used by locals.

As for the checks, it was obvious that EU countries with borders would discontinue these checks within a day or so. There's just no way that every passport/ID card can be scanned on the busiest borders - if anything, it would make much more sense to set up a system whereby cars are randomly selected for scanning of documents

I spent an hour at Gruskovje once observing the controls in the middle of summer, and the vast majority of cars were waved through on both entry and exit. The thought of scanning every single car is just ridiculous and makes no sense.

Reports from Gibraltar suggest that nothing has changed and that the vast majority of ID's/passports are not being scanned. There was some trouble a couple of days ago, but that was rather likely to be related to the issue of Gibraltar rather than the new rules.

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Old April 9th, 2017, 06:43 PM   #15198
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it would make much more sense to set up a system whereby cars are randomly selected for scanning of documents
Not randomly, but selectively—meaning they select more suspicious people.
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Old April 9th, 2017, 07:52 PM   #15199
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It's kind of interesting there is such issues

If you're crossing USA border from Canada for example, they are scanning passport of everyone, every time... is it just manpower issue?
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Old April 9th, 2017, 08:24 PM   #15200
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Not randomly, but selectively—meaning they select more suspicious people.
If you actually are the suspect, you usually do everything not to look suspicious, so it might not work.

@Kanadzie: USA and Canada are enormous countries, so I believe that people don't have a need for travelling between them so often as through the borders of a mini-country like Slovenia.

Something being a trip to a neighboring state for someone living in the US is a trip to a neighboring country for someone living in Slovenia. Or even in Croatia.

But... these people had to live with strict borders through the whole iron curtain period. Maybe not between Croatia and Slovenia, as they were parts of a single country then - but, for example, the border between Hungary and Romania was for sure strictly guarded. You had to get a passport, you had to wait at the border, they checked you thoroughly and you could never be sure they let you through. Yet it was anyway much easier than going to a western-European country (including Italy or Greece), for which you needed a special passport (which you had to return to the state authorities once you were back, and it was not so easy to get it, practically impossible if you have ever done anything against the communism, which included even saying things e.g. about the history the government did not like publically), and a big problem was the currency difference (eastern-European money meant nothing in the West, western-European money was worth really much in the East - I don't really understand the reasons of that, but it was so; and, in addition, exchanging the money between the Eastern and Western currencies in the East was possible only on the black market). But there wasn't anything like Schengen on the eastern side of the iron curtain, and the governments were making it rather difficult to travel to another country. Actually, from what I know, there still exists a region in the far east of Russia, where people are not allowed to travel freely.

And people did live with that.

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