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Old April 9th, 2017, 08:52 PM   #15201
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From yesterday on, to cross the Serbian/Croatian Bajakovo and further on to enter Slovenia you will need more than 10 hours of waiting. And additional papers for many.
I remember when the Polish or Romanian citizens tried to go to the west when the Iron Curtain was still alive. Its the same thing.
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Old April 9th, 2017, 09:10 PM   #15202
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Well. I remember the radio announcing daily the number of hours of waiting at the border crossings on all the sides of our country. Even after we joined EU.

Although it probably concerned trucks rather than private cars. But it's still a norm on the crossings on our eastern border.

I was once going to Ukraine by bus, with a school trip (we were already in Schengen for a few years - it doesn't affect this border specifically, I want to place it in the time). We waited something like 2 hours in one direction and a similar amount of time in the opposite one. But I heard then that sometimes it happens to be much longer.

What I remembered - that it was like 2 or 3 buses in the queue in front of us (there was a special gate specifically for buses). And the checking took them so long. Just a school trip, of 15-year-old kids.
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Old April 10th, 2017, 12:12 AM   #15203
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I remember the radio announcing daily the number of hours of waiting at the border crossings on all the sides of our country.
Same here, it was always "2 hours of waiting for trucks to get into Hungary".
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Old April 10th, 2017, 12:27 AM   #15204
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I remember when the 80 km between Monfalcone and Umag required hours in summer weekends, when there were still border controls between Italy and Slovenia and there was no motorway between Padriciano and Rabuiese.
I hope we won't go back to those times due to stupid EU regulations.
I planned to do a daytrip to Pula on Easter day, but I will postpone it to better days. It's already a long drive from home (2.5h each way in normal conditions, more if I'll use local streets to avoid SLO vignette), so I don't want to sit the whole day in my car.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old April 10th, 2017, 12:43 AM   #15205
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Same here, it was always "2 hours of waiting for trucks to get into Hungary".
Well, here it was often exactly like 10 hours or 12 hours.

But maybe it was about trucks.
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Old April 10th, 2017, 01:28 AM   #15206
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I planned to do a daytrip to Pula on Easter day, but I will postpone it to better days. It's already a long drive from home (2.5h each way in normal conditions, more if I'll use local streets to avoid SLO vignette), so I don't want to sit the whole day in my car.
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Old April 10th, 2017, 11:47 PM   #15207
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Are there any major traffic jams at the French and British sides of the Channel Tunnel?
I went to and came back from France yesterday, no queues in Dover or Calais.
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Old April 10th, 2017, 11:48 PM   #15208
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Haha, I have already done this one, just with a small difference on [I][SLO] border. Road worth recommendation - really scenic and without congestion, even in high season. Some places, like: Roć, Buzet and Hum are also woth a visit.
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Old April 10th, 2017, 11:54 PM   #15209
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Did you drive via Rakitovec (like in my link) or via Sočerga?
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Old April 11th, 2017, 12:24 AM   #15210
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Polish-Ukrainian border.

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Live view here, in the bottom: http://www.podkarpackie.kas.gov.pl/p..._col_count%3D2
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Old April 11th, 2017, 01:26 AM   #15211
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During the communist period, did soviet republics have borders between themselves? If not, how quickly did Russia and Belarus and Ukraine built up a physical border infrastructure?
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Old April 11th, 2017, 01:49 AM   #15212
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This is one from Wiki, showing the S/N border in 1934, looking into Norway. Location not given.
The handedness of traffic was different in the two neighbouring countries, therefore the alert in 4 languages to keep right in Norway. Sweden only changed to RHT in the 1960s.

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Old April 11th, 2017, 01:58 PM   #15213
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During the communist period, did soviet republics have borders between themselves? If not, how quickly did Russia and Belarus and Ukraine built up a physical border infrastructure?
No, borders were wide open in the Soviet republics between each other. You could drive freely from Vilnius to Tallinn for example, with the only real difference being the languages used in each republic.

Borders were very quickly put up. Probably the most famous example is the Medininkai massacre - but there are other examples too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet...n_border_posts

From what I remember, these were only customs posts, not identity control posts. Those came later - from what I remember, it took a while for the Soviet Army after the coup to actually withdraw from international borders (such as the PL-LT border). On the former internal borders, I have a feeling that while there were border guards very early, they didn't start performing identity controls until they enacted new migrations post-independence.

I've found several references to the establishing of border posts in the Baltics:

Latvia/Belarus set up mutually agreed 50 border posts in August 1990
Estonia set up over 28 border posts at the same time while closing other roads
Latvia/Lithuania set up posts at some time in 1990
Border controls were only under the full control of the individual republics once the Soviet Union ended

It was much slower elsewhere, as the CIS agreement was supposed to mean freedom of movement of people and goods. Russia set up customs posts in mid 1992 with the countries that refused to join the CIS customs union - Ukraine, the Baltic States, Georgia. It seems that by the end of 1993, they had all built barriers with each other, and even the Baltic States failed to make a customs union before joining the EU.
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Old April 11th, 2017, 02:34 PM   #15214
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I crossed the Hungarian-Romanian border in the 80's when communism was still in full flow. There was a wooden hut on the Romanian side were we had to stop and get our travel documents checked but the Hungarian side was more up to date. There was also quite a large no-mans land area between the two. The Romanians were very strict but the Hungarians didn't really care and waved us through on the way back.

Whilst we were in Bucharest I bumped into an East German who'd travelled there from Dresden (I think). He had to have documentation to travel via each Soviet Bloc country and was stopped at every border to get his documentation checked.
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Old April 11th, 2017, 05:19 PM   #15215
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Old April 11th, 2017, 07:58 PM   #15216
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I crossed the Hungarian-Romanian border in the 80's when communism was still in full flow. There was a wooden hut on the Romanian side were we had to stop and get our travel documents checked but the Hungarian side was more up to date. There was also quite a large no-mans land area between the two. The Romanians were very strict but the Hungarians didn't really care and waved us through on the way back.

Whilst we were in Bucharest I bumped into an East German who'd travelled there from Dresden (I think). He had to have documentation to travel via each Soviet Bloc country and was stopped at every border to get his documentation checked.
It was easy to cross if you were a westerner. But the opposite was not true. If some of their citizens wanted to visit the West they needed permissions and papers like visa or so.
Once I've heard a Czech tourist saying we are very lucky to visit SFRY(dissolved now). From today's point of view its funny.
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Old April 11th, 2017, 09:15 PM   #15217
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Did you drive via Rakitovec (like in my link) or via Sočerga?
I double checked and yes, it was Sočerga. Does it make any particular difference?
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Old April 11th, 2017, 10:32 PM   #15218
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This is one from Wiki, showing the S/N border in 1934, looking into Norway. Location not given.
The location is Kornsjø at the south end of Norway. The roads 101 (Norway) and 166 (Sweden) nowadays meet at the border.
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Old April 12th, 2017, 12:12 AM   #15219
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It was easy to cross if you were a westerner. But the opposite was not true. If some of their citizens wanted to visit the West they needed permissions and papers like visa or so.
Once I've heard a Czech tourist saying we are very lucky to visit SFRY(dissolved now). From today's point of view its funny.
As I remeber of what was told me by friends who lived in ČSSR. and later in ČSFR (Czechoslovakia) they needed to be cheked by Štb (State security) before even they get their own passaport. After that they need to ask for visa to get out of country (state security check again) an that was for travell to socialist countries, and it was in 60. and 70. They can travell visa free in 80. to any socialist country excepet to Yugoslavia. We were so lucky to have our Tito, and freedom that we have.
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I though visiting Yugoslavia was forbidden entirely for people of Varsaw Pact area, like they were forbidden to travel to Albania, period.
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