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Old May 7th, 2017, 12:48 AM   #15321
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On the other hand, I've a road map of Yugoslavia (no bridge at Krk, so older than 1980), that shows some border crossings with Albania (marked with a dot, like functioning border crossings with Italy, Austria, etc...).
For certain they weren't open for normal traffic. They might have been available for some sort of exports from Albania, but that's about it. People were still getting killed on the Albanian border in 1990, for instance.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 01:23 AM   #15322
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On my map of Yugoslavia there are 3 border crossings to Albania. One with Montenegro, one with Kosovo, and one with Macedonia.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 01:36 PM   #15323
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On my map of Yugoslavia there are 3 border crossings to Albania. One with Montenegro, one with Kosovo, and one with Macedonia.
Han i Hotit, Vermica and Qafa Thana.

However, when you saw these border crossings and the street infrastructure a couple of years ago, you see that there was no real interest of Albania to let people in the country: In general the socialist countries where showing what they can achieve at their border crossings, to show the foreigners the superiority of their system and economy.

That was totally absent at the Albanian border crossings (and even on the Yugoslavian side). So looking at this, you can see that there was close to no traffic there.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 03:07 PM   #15324
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That communist paranoia was comparable to today's North Korea. It was very extreme and Enver Hoxha was in fact afraid of Tito and especially he was afraid of the Soviet Union influence and power. After the intervention in Czechoslovakia I know that Albania split up from the east pact.
What I remember is that there was almost no traffic between YU and Albania. There was a case when a foreigner was hanged in the late 60's after being accused of spying.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 06:29 PM   #15325
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I have been glancing info about tourism in Bhutan and, as far I have searched:

- Visa is allowed for everyone except India, Maldivas and Bangladesh
- You MUST hire a tour with a local operator or maybe a foreign authorised operator (for instance, someone from Nepal who sell together Nepal and Bhutan). They must be them who will ask you a visa. It is impossible to ask a visa in any Bhutan embassies
- You cannot make a self journey inside the country.... all with operators. They can offer you a van and a driver and feel free to change of plans as many times as you want, but they will say that, after arriving to the country, about 250ish dollars/day for ALL (except gifts, phone calls and some beverages). 3-4 starred hotels included, breakast, lunch and dinner, local guide, car or van... If you wish 5 stars, it can approach to 300 dollars/day
- There are daily flights to several near Bhutan. The best one is from Kathmandu and having an A seat when departing (and F seat when back again). You will see Everest and five out of highest peaks in the world very near
- They have border with China but no border passes... indeed no flights to China (anyway, nearest city is Lhasa and it is not a hub at all. To go to Shanghai, maybe better a shuttle at Singapore, for instance).
- They have three border passes with India but can use only with a visa given by operators.

- Tourist operators will ask for number of people, number of days, preferred plan (trekking, culture, sightseen and so on) and budget to make you a proposal. Providing you take a two weeks trip you can enter via international airport and leave to Calcutta by van in the opposite side of the country.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 01:20 AM   #15326
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That communist paranoia was comparable to today's North Korea. It was very extreme and Enver Hoxha was in fact afraid of Tito and especially he was afraid of the Soviet Union influence and power. After the intervention in Czechoslovakia I know that Albania split up from the east pact.
What I remember is that there was almost no traffic between YU and Albania. There was a case when a foreigner was hanged in the late 60's after being accused of spying.
Enver Hoxha was heavily armed, he wasn't scared of Tito, I think he was more paranoid from an invasion in the south from the Greeks with the backing of the west.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 05:01 PM   #15327
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Enver Hoxha was heavily armed, he wasn't scared of Tito, I think he was more paranoid from an invasion in the south from the Greeks with the backing of the west.
That's not true YU had enormous air, naval and ground troops it was considered as a true power. Albania was tiny back then, but they were afraid mainly of the Soviets because they were able to assimilate them politically.
Also I dont think that the Greeks and the west were interested to trouble them.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:49 AM   #15328
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That's not true YU had enormous air, naval and ground troops it was considered as a true power. Albania was tiny back then, but they were afraid mainly of the Soviets because they were able to assimilate them politically.
Also I dont think that the Greeks and the west were interested to trouble them.
Paranoia... Enver Hoxha was afraid of everyone!

And to Greece: The south-eastern parts of Albania are known as Northern Epirus (basically the area around Korca, Përmet, Erseka, Saranda, Himara, Tepelena and Gjirokastra) and there was a big Greek Minority until about 1945 (you still find some Greeks there and there are also bilingual signs since some years). During Balkan wars and WW1, Greece tried to annex that part of Albania. And that idea was not that unlikely even after 1945. There was also civil war in Greece where Albania backed the communist guerrilla and Greece and Albania were more or less in a state of frozen war (somehow like North and South Korea nowadays). There were also no border crossings at all between the two countries. So the fears of Albania about a Greek invasion (already happened twice in the 20th century) were understandable.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 11:43 AM   #15329
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Sure?

Found this

https://www.google.es/maps/@39.65278...2!8i6656?hl=es
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Old May 10th, 2017, 01:34 PM   #15330
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There were also no border crossings at all between the two countries...Well yes, now there are.. btw is Greece and Albania still in state of war technically ? Did they sign any declaration of peace since 1992 ?
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There were also no border crossings at all between the two countries.
How do you know that?
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Old May 10th, 2017, 04:53 PM   #15332
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How do you know that?
Kakavia border crossing was opened in 1985, the year when Hoxha passed away. I can also answer my own question now, in 1985 the state of war between the two countries was officially ceased. Source is a book that I have at home.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 05:45 PM   #15333
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Source is a book that I have at home.
Is it yellow?
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Is it yellow?
Definitely not. Its white
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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:01 PM   #15335
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It was a talk for the communist period, today is easy to visit Albania you(I) need just ID.
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Kakavia border crossing was opened in 1985, the year when Hoxha passed away. I can also answer my own question now, in 1985 the state of war between the two countries was officially ceased. Source is a book that I have at home.
Yes, that's also my knowledge. Kakavia was opened first (you also see how old this crossing is when you are there), the others were later, most likely in the 90ies and even later (Qafa Bote).
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It was a talk for the communist period, today is easy to visit Albania you(I) need just ID.


Thats true. Funny enough, i have witnessed that people still carry their passport because they either dont know or classical naivety. They dont feel safe enough and dont want to risk getting refused. Its like in croatia at lucko toll station where people still use the cash service booths instead of the empty self-service booths. Lol. You gotta love Balkan people, we are one of a kind
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Old May 11th, 2017, 03:05 AM   #15338
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Funny enough, i have witnessed that people still carry their passport because they either dont know or classical naivety.
I'm not from the Balkans and I do carry my passport when travelling, even within Schengen area, because it is my only proper method of identification.

I don't have an ID card. It would be more expensive to obtain than a passport, and I would still need the passport for most non-Schengen journeys anyway.

I do have a driving licence and it is good enough in my own country, but not officially elsewhere.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 01:56 PM   #15339
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I, too, have no ID card. The only citizenship I have is Hungarian, and Hungarian laws only permit to have an ID card if you have a permanent residence in Hungary. So Hungarian citizens living outside Hungary may only have a passport but no ID card (unless they have another citizenship as well and have the ID card of that nation).
And my driving license, too, is a German one.
The only Hungarian document I have is my passport.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 04:17 PM   #15340
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Thats true. Funny enough, i have witnessed that people still carry their passport because they either dont know or classical naivety. They dont feel safe enough and dont want to risk getting refused. Its like in croatia at lucko toll station where people still use the cash service booths instead of the empty self-service booths. Lol. You gotta love Balkan people, we are one of a kind
In Balkan you can see, hear and experience everything. But things are improving.
As for the border crossings if you are Croat you must check this funny video about a bull at the Bosnia-Croatia border
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