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Old May 12th, 2017, 12:26 AM   #15341
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Thats true. Funny enough, i have witnessed that people still carry their passport because they either dont know or classical naivety. They dont feel safe enough and dont want to risk getting refused.
Supposedly I only need an ID for visiting the so-called Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, but I took my passport with me. I don't wanna be refused entry after 4 hours of flying. However, I wouldn't worry about the Republic of Cyprus since it's an EU member.
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Old May 15th, 2017, 07:12 PM   #15342
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Maybe someone knows to tell about these crossings during the cold war. I post an example where these two cities at the CZ-PL border are divided by a river. And a bridge over the border, which I see its open to cross.
https://www.google.mk/maps/@49.74954...2!8i6656?hl=en
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Old May 19th, 2017, 10:26 PM   #15343
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Google street view also on touristic boats!!!!


I honestly guess this is the (touristic boat trip) more breathtaking over the world being in a border. Isn't it?

https://www.google.es/maps/@-25.6876...2!8i6656?hl=es
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Old May 19th, 2017, 10:28 PM   #15344
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Old May 19th, 2017, 10:28 PM   #15345
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Old May 20th, 2017, 07:03 PM   #15346
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Maybe someone knows to tell about these crossings during the cold war. I post an example where these two cities at the CZ-PL border are divided by a river. And a bridge over the border, which I see its open to cross.
https://www.google.mk/maps/@49.74954...2!8i6656?hl=en
It did work, it was a small border traffic crossing.

There is a more interesting case somewhere, where there is a street exactly along the border between Poland and either the Czech Republic, or Slovakia (I am not sure). I cannot find it now, but I remember this topic discussed in the Polish thread on border crossings. Someone from the Polish SSC section went there and took photos of it. It worked as a border crossing during the cold war too. Supposedly, there were border posts at both end of this street. The border guards knew well the locals using this crossing every day, so they had no problems with it.

To return to Cieszyn - supposedly, it was like this in the '90s:



It's not from the cold war times because the eagle on the sign has a crown. Although the STOP sign and the Zoll one too probably remember those times.

To compare: https://goo.gl/maps/vBQ4rDbj9ZF2

Here is a material of the Polish TV news from 1988 about this checkpoint:



I have posted it already here a very short time ago, you must have missed it.

So it was shortly before Schengen:



A documentary, now, of the Czechoslovakian TV, from 1970 - it seems, it's about a flood (in which the bridge has collapsed), but it has some photos from the border checkpoint too:



Although the documentary is probably from the '90s (yes, definitely, you can see photos with shops of western brands like Adidas; anyway, it's in color, and if I am not mistaken, we didn't have color TV in 1970 yet), it's just about events from 1970.

But here: http://slaskie.fotopolska.eu/574,obiekt.html many historic photos of this bridge.
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Old May 20th, 2017, 11:34 PM   #15347
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Seen in google street view and spotted last 2016 June

https://www.google.es/maps/@43.34930...2!8i6656?hl=es

This line is border between Spain and France.


French police were having controls on border (by the way, first brigde ahead, only for pedestrians now, was without control at the same time)
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Old May 21st, 2017, 12:41 AM   #15348
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I post an example where these two cities at the CZ-PL border are divided by a river.
To be precise, it's one city divided by a river, along which the border runs.
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To be precise, it's one city divided by a river, along which the border runs.
Yes, I understood its the same name on both languages. So I guess pre-WW2 it was actually one city with no border at all.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 02:03 AM   #15350
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It's not from the cold war times because the eagle on the sign has a crown.
And Škoda Fabia was first produced in 1999.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 11:52 AM   #15351
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Yes, I understood its the same name on both languages. So I guess pre-WW2 it was actually one city with no border at all.
Same as, for example, Frankfurt Oder/Słubice, or Görlitz/Zgorzelec. In the first case, the name on the Polish side has changed, in the second one, it's practically the same.

In case of Cieszyn/Cesky Tesin, the Czech name says something like "Czech Cieszyn" or "Czech Tesin", from whichever language you translate. The Polish part is just Cieszyn/Tesin.

Sorry for the lack of the Czech diacritics.

There is also, for example, Kostrzyn and Küstrin-Kietz. The same name too, the German one just with something added.

By the way, it seems, Cieszyn was a single city pre-WW1 and it got divided in 1920 after many disputes (including a military conflict) about whether those lands should belong to Czechoslovakia, or to Poland.

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Old May 21st, 2017, 05:07 PM   #15352
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In the history of Europe rivers wre often used as border between countries, and in many cases were towns, built on both sides of a river, suddenly were divided by a border...
Those, who know Europe, can surely list at least a dozen but rather more of such examples, especially in the territory of the former Austria-Hungary.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 05:51 PM   #15353
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@Kpc21 I see, there is almost same example at Croatia - Bosnia border over the Sava river. From Croatian side the town is called Slavonski Brod while from the other side of the river, the part of the historically same developing town is called Bosanski (Brod). And the border runs over the river and there is a bridge which is a cross point.
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Do I get it well that the name "Brod" came from a word meaning "a place of crossing the river (without using a bridge)"? Then it's meaning will be even older than the bridge

Interestingly, I cannot find such examples at the eastern Polish border. Terespol and Brest are closest to each other, but looking at a map, they seem to be two totally separate towns on both banks of the river. And to have been them also historically.
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This street right on the state border between Poland and Czech Republic seems to be here: https://goo.gl/maps/BfvxLFqhchN2

We are in Poland. From this point, there is Czech Republic on the left, Poland on the right.

https://goo.gl/maps/kwSUBU4Q3aA2 - the container for old clothes is in Poland, but the field behind it - in Czech Republic. You can see a small pole, marking the border.

https://goo.gl/maps/CgAA5qE4uXF2 - the house on the left is in the Czech Republic, the house on the right is in Poland. The road is probably in Poland, because the directional road sign ahead is in the Polish style.

https://goo.gl/maps/E2Mv63teXME2 - here, there are even two power lines - a Czech one, supplying Czech houses with electricity, on the left, and a Polish one on the right.

This road sign is Czech: https://goo.gl/maps/E2Mv63teXME2

And it seems, this is the place where the street changes the ownership.

https://goo.gl/maps/XTksiADjKQv - here, you can see a Czech cycle trail sign on the side of the road with Polish houses. There are still two electric lines on both sides of the street.

Ahead of it, there is a Czech road sign about an intersection, but the house on the right has a satellite dish from a Polish operator.

Here - a Czech directional road sign: https://goo.gl/maps/cuH9RcXN1jy (referring to the same intersection as the previous one)

It's the place where the border makes a turn and does not go along this street any more: https://goo.gl/maps/P5piANJ5wQL2

But... it goes along another street. This street is in Poland: https://goo.gl/maps/wVxXM9tNzCL2

Exit of this street: https://goo.gl/maps/zCU3ozxbSUo - RP means Rzeczpospolita Polska (officially: Republic of Poland, more literally: Polish Commonwealth), CR means Ceska Republika (Czech Republic).

https://goo.gl/maps/K4PgfQH3pso - the transformer station on the left supplies Czech houses, the power line on the right is Polish.

The main street turns right, the border goes forward: https://goo.gl/maps/9TfJ6Puyoi82

It stays in Poland for a moment, but crosses the border soon: https://goo.gl/maps/EeXXzxXQVBN2

More photos here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...92637&page=106

Some information (in Polish, but if you don't understand with Google Translate, just ask): http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...192637&page=81
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Another place with a Polish house on the left and a Czech house on the right: https://goo.gl/maps/yYTmwxj9NF12

Behind and above - a high voltage electric line crossing the border.

Photos on SSC: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...192637&page=96

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Old May 23rd, 2017, 12:43 AM   #15357
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In the history of Europe rivers wre often used as border between countries, and in many cases were towns, built on both sides of a river, suddenly were divided by a border...
Those, who know Europe, can surely list at least a dozen but rather more of such examples, especially in the territory of the former Austria-Hungary.
Several villages and the only town along the present Finnish-Swedish-border are like that. In many cases they even have exactly the same Finnish-language name used in both countries.
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@Kpc21 this one is also very interesting example. Looking at the house and its land on the right I wonder in which country belongs. I don't know about the cross border laws in these open border examples.
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according to milestone in the left of imagen, it would be in CZ...
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Old May 25th, 2017, 01:39 AM   #15360
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The booth which is probably the former border guard post is more interesting. It's definitely in the Czech Republic, according to the stone @alserrod mentioned. But it has a Polish waste container. There is "food waste" written in Polish on it, not in Czech.

Although it's powered from the Czech power grid.
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