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Old June 1st, 2017, 12:38 AM   #15401
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And in the territory of the People's Republic of Croatia, later the Socialist Republic of Croatia, people learned Latin Script in first class and Cyrillic script in third class, like Slovenes who started learning Serbocroatian and Cyrillic script in the third class (and probably like Macedonians who started learning Serbocroatian and Latin script in the third class). I learned about many Croatian citizens of Serbian nationality who fled in FR Yugoslavia and were unable to use Cyrillic script there because they even didn't learn it appropriately - in Croatia they used the Latin script.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 12:53 AM   #15402
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This debate leaded me to a curios point: why this year's Croatian Eurosong entry was sung in two languages: English and Italian? Well, because the English is the official language of the event and the Italian is the official language of many Istrian towns and municipalities and of course of the Regione (Contea) Istriana.

So it seems that only Italy, Switzerland, San Marino, Malta and Croatia can send songs sung in whole or at least partly in Italian.
Oops, I forgot Slovenia.

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Old June 1st, 2017, 05:02 PM   #15403
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If I can put my 2 cents in, who has any sources on pretty much anything they have claimed until now ? Seemingly, people are writing and writing without any reference at all.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 05:30 PM   #15404
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I'd also like to add that this thread is about international border crossings and not the languages at Eurovision
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Old June 1st, 2017, 08:26 PM   #15405
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MK-Kosovo border. There are currently two crossings operating, while there is a third connection that its blocked. Its pre '91 road.


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Old June 1st, 2017, 08:57 PM   #15406
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I'd also like to add that this thread is about international border crossings and not the languages at Eurovision
So let's have some more



This is at the old border crossing of Bratislava-Berg (SK-AT).

Hard to tell when it dates from, but I'd guess the 1970's judging by the fact that the newer Slovak buildings don't seem to exist yet there.



A picture from the Austria-Yugoslavia border. The interesting thing to note here is how relaxed the Yugoslavs were about border security - their crossings were just like in Western Europe.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 11:16 PM   #15407
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Picture of SK-A crossing comes from eighties. Probably from its first part. By the way, I crossed the border there in 1991 for the first time and, as far as i remember, it pretty much looked the same as on the picture, back then.
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Old June 2nd, 2017, 11:04 PM   #15408
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Picture of SK-A crossing comes from eighties. Probably from its first part. By the way, I crossed the border there in 1991 for the first time and, as far as i remember, it pretty much looked the same as on the picture, back then.
According to car bumpers on Zastava 101, this photo is shooted after year 1984.
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Old June 3rd, 2017, 01:42 PM   #15409
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Highly possible (mind lada 2107 produced from 1982), however I did not say a word about second picture I meant top one.
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Old June 3rd, 2017, 03:53 PM   #15410
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Another one:



It's the border crossing of Gmuend, looking in the direction of Czechoslovakia.

And how it looked in 2009 - https://www.google.com/maps/@48.7753...7i13312!8i6656
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Old June 3rd, 2017, 09:41 PM   #15411
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Umbrail Pass (CH) -> Stelvio/Stilftserjoch (I), my photos of a crossing at an elevation of 2500 mts.
Did not see where the exact border line runs. "Dazi Svizzer" is in Rumantsch language, Switzerland's 4th official one.

Haven't seen any border personnel on the Swiss side. Later, there was a STOP sign and a Guardia di Finanza patrol watching.





Looking back into Switzerland



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Old June 3rd, 2017, 09:41 PM   #15412
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Rail crossing almost at the border.
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Old June 4th, 2017, 11:23 AM   #15413
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No French language on that Swiss building.
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Old June 4th, 2017, 11:39 AM   #15414
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Umbrail Pass is 4-5 hours away from the nearest French-language areas of Switzerland.

These are the relevant languages of the area, Italian, German and Romansh. Romansh is only spoken by a very small proportion of the Swiss population. Even in Graubünden not that many speak it. It's a much smaller language than the other three national languages of Switzerland.
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Old June 5th, 2017, 03:28 PM   #15415
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Schaffhausen-Herblingen (CH) -> Büsingen (D)

Büsingen is a German exclave completely surrounded by Swiss territory. It is part of the Swiss customs area (seen from Germany, a Zollausschlussgebiet), therefore no border crossing facilities exist between Büsingen and the rest of Switzerland.

On the road to the left, we would remain within Switzerland.





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Old June 5th, 2017, 06:24 PM   #15416
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Is it free to cross Switzerland via any road or just on a specific road without passport control?
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Old June 5th, 2017, 06:47 PM   #15417
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Any road is fine. At one point there is only 1km of Swiss territory between Büsingen and the rest of Germany.
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Old June 5th, 2017, 08:09 PM   #15418
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OK, but what about entering in Switzerland and going ahead without passport control (maybe not now but several decades ago)



As an example... Llivia is an enclave
https://www.google.es/maps/place/175....9802013?hl=es

Due to a former treatment, there is free pass to go there. Therefore, in those years when Spain was isolated, Spanish police requested documentation to all people leaving territory but didn't ask too much to Llivia citizens. In the other hand, French police had booths but never stopped a Spanish plate car due they could go to Llivia and it was pass-free. They just pointed that going to anywhere in France required to go through booths. You were entitled to go to custom booths or weren't but should you weren't and later turned right or left (not ahead to Llivia) you could be stopped, checked if you had a custom stamp in passport and considered illegal inmigration in France.

In addition, when traffic was greater, a stop signal was set in the cross road. It was once and again destroyed by Llivia citizens saying that free-pass included no stopping for anything.
Easy solution: roundabout and car into there has priority. That's all. France built a brigde later that, at the begining, had no connection with Spanish road, despite it was so close to border.

In addition, a lot of territory in the north of France belongs to Llivia municipality but it is in French territory (something like if a town buys a corner in another country to build a monument...). They just used that territory for farms and, obviously, they had to ask to enter in France to work there.


Today... there is a little hospital in Puigcerda that welcome any citizen either from Spain or France (there isn't enough population in both sides of border to build a hospital but adding all, it is enough. Hospital is just 1 km away to border or so)
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Old June 6th, 2017, 01:44 AM   #15419
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Highly possible (mind lada 2107 produced from 1982), however I did not say a word about second picture I meant top one.
The presence of Mazda 323 of model 1980-1985 also helps
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Old June 6th, 2017, 02:14 AM   #15420
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OK, but what about entering in Switzerland and going ahead without passport control (maybe not now but several decades ago)
Anybody wanting to reach Büsingen from outside Switzerland has to cross "normally" into Switzerland first. There is no special corridor between Büsingen and the rest of Germany.
That means in this case travelling from a German to a German location involves an ordinary border crossing (Schengen, but customs still apply).

It is another question that there actually are border-crossing roads without posts or permanent staff close to Büsingen. Travelers are only allowed to use these if they have nothing to declare. Rapid-intervention border guard units may be deployed close to these crossings and run after suspicious vehicles.
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