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Old June 6th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #15421
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Schaffhausen-Herblingen (CH) -> Büsingen (D)

Büsingen is a German exclave completely surrounded by Swiss territory. It is part of the Swiss customs area (seen from Germany, a Zollausschlussgebiet), therefore no border crossing facilities exist between Büsingen and the rest of Switzerland.

On the road to the left, we would remain within Switzerland.





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As for the border area , yes the roads are open to traffic without control but there are always quick response units and believe me they control automatically whoever enters Switzerland from those access points
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Old June 6th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #15422
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I wanted to ask about the border crossing point at Vicovu de Sus (Romania) - Krasnoilsk (Ukraine)

Google map shows some the infrastructure of this border crossing

There are some articles on this topic but from 2013 and 2014 eg .:
1. http://www.infobalkans.com/social-tags/krasnoilsk
2. https://www.agerpres.ro/english/2014...aine--19-11-39

Is this crossing point open?
On the official website does not exist: https://www.politiadefrontiera.ro/ro/traficonline/
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Old June 6th, 2017, 12:57 PM   #15423
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It is another question that there actually are border-crossing roads without posts or permanent staff close to Büsingen. Travelers are only allowed to use these if they have nothing to declare. Rapid-intervention border guard units may be deployed close to these crossings and run after suspicious vehicles.
There are because both Switzerland and Germany are in Schengen. So it's obvious that you can use any road from Germany to reach this German exclave as long as you have nothing to declare.

The question can be, what was before Schengen. Should I understand your post as that there were such roads before Schengen?

In Poland we luckily have no exclaves. But... we have the town of Świnoujście, most of which is located on the Uznam (Usedom) island in the delta of the Odra/Oder river. From the "mainland" Poland, it can be reached only either by a cross-river ferry, or... through Germany.
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Old June 6th, 2017, 01:10 PM   #15424
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Is it so difficult to build a bridge there?
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Old June 6th, 2017, 03:47 PM   #15425
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There will be tunnel in few years. There is not possible to build any bridge because of ships going to Szczecin port. Take a look on map.
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Old June 6th, 2017, 10:34 PM   #15426
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The bridge would have to be either a drawbridge, which would close for most of the time, or it would have to be very tall, so that the costs are comparable with those of building a tunnel.

In Świnoujście, there are 2 ferries. One in the town centre takes the cars of the locals only (and all the pedestrians), the other one, in the outskirts - all the cars. It's a good solution, because there are long queues to the ferry for all the cars and the locals can avoid them.

The ferries are free of charge for the pedestrians.

And the main train station in Świnoujście (with the trains to Poland) is located just next to the stop of the town centre ferry. Meanwhile, the western part of Świnoujście can be reached by train from Germany - it's the end station of the local railway of the Usedom island. This train connection with Germany got open in 2008 - just after Poland joined Schengen, so there was no need for building border infrastruture.

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Old June 7th, 2017, 01:40 AM   #15427
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Starting from June 5 2017, the border between Saudi Arabia and Qatar (Qatar's only land border), has been fully sealed off, as a group of 5 Arab countries (Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, EAU, Yemen, and Egypt) has decided to end all diplomatic relationships with Qatar, since it's accused to support and finance ISIS.
Qatar is an Sunni islamist absolute monarchy, and it's one of the worst countries in the world for human rights, although it's very rich because of oil. However, the economic isolation will likely damage its economy. Ironically, Saudi Arabia, one of the countries involved, has a similar absolute Islamic regime, and it's accused to finance terrorism too.
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Old June 7th, 2017, 06:43 AM   #15428
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Starting from June 5 2017, the border between Saudi Arabia and Qatar (Qatar's only land border), has been fully sealed off, as a group of 5 Arab countries (Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, EAU, Yemen, and Egypt) has decided to end all diplomatic relationships with Qatar, since it's accused to support and finance ISIS.
Qatar is an Sunni islamist absolute monarchy, and it's one of the worst countries in the world for human rights, although it's very rich because of oil. However, the economic isolation will likely damage its economy. Ironically, Saudi Arabia, one of the countries involved, has a similar absolute Islamic regime, and it's accused to finance terrorism too.
Some outlets are reporting that the current crisis is due to Russian "propaganda" hackers and fake news. Either way it's just terrible...
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Old June 7th, 2017, 01:37 PM   #15429
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Saudi Arabia is far worst than Qatar. Westerners have been hanged there.
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Old June 7th, 2017, 01:50 PM   #15430
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Starting from June 5 2017, the border between Saudi Arabia and Qatar (Qatar's only land border), has been fully sealed off, as a group of 5 Arab countries (Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, EAU, Yemen, and Egypt) has decided to end all diplomatic relationships with Qatar, since it's accused to support and finance ISIS.
Qatar is an Sunni islamist absolute monarchy, and it's one of the worst countries in the world for human rights, although it's very rich because of oil. However, the economic isolation will likely damage its economy. Ironically, Saudi Arabia, one of the countries involved, has a similar absolute Islamic regime, and it's accused to finance terrorism too.
Really? Saudi Arabia of all places is ending diplo relations because Qatar supports terrorism?
https://youtu.be/Zkep0xUlBV0?t=422
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Old June 7th, 2017, 02:18 PM   #15431
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CROSSINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old June 7th, 2017, 03:19 PM   #15432
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Saudi Arabia is far worst than Qatar. Westerners have been hanged there.
Saudi Arabia is worse than most countries on Earth. It's the Islamic version of 1984.
Everything is ruled by wahabism, the most extreme and conservative fringe of Sunni Islam, the same of ISIS and Al Qaeda.
There is no absolutely freedom of speech, religion, or press. People are beheaded for their opinions. Western movies and music are banned. Women can't do anything freely, without the consent of their husband or any other legal 'guardian'. Foreign can't visit the country, unless with a guide escorting them everywhere they go. Non-muslims can't enter Mecca and Medina at all. Women can't drive. Women who are raped are prosecuted because they had an intercourse with a stranger.
Qatar is a dictatorship too, but probably not that harsh like Saudi Arabia. For example, Western tourists visit it normally all the time.

Anyway, to remain on topic, some photos of the border between Saudi Arabia and Qatar.











https://amuslimtraveller.wordpress.c...-saudi-arabia/
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Old June 8th, 2017, 03:00 AM   #15433
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beautiful, old brigde over the river salzach austria/germany border

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Old June 12th, 2017, 12:01 AM   #15434
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So we drove last 2 days over multiple borders:
RO -> SRB (Jasa Tomic) -> HR (Bajakovo) -> BiH (Brod) -> HR (Brod) -> SLO (Bregana) -> A (Dravograd) -> D (Walserberg)

The longest time we were checked (only our car) was into SRB, but atmosphere was very relaxed. The second longest time was actually into Austria, they took our papers inside and we waited around 5 minutes to get them back no questions asked.

Crossing into BiH was very relaxed, we only did that for the passport stamp and to eat cheap cevapi . Bosnian guy asked me where we are going, I told him we just want to eat something and asked him if he knows a good restaurant . Coming back we used ID cards, neither side scanned it, it took literally just a few seconds, no questions asked.
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House split by Canada US border for sale

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Old June 12th, 2017, 12:16 PM   #15436
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Picture of the F-D border at Neulauterburg in 1987.



An interesting follow up from a previous post. This is the DDR border at Zinnwald in 1990, which today looks completely different with the exception of the old Czech customs house.

This is from the other side - https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.73420...7i13312!8i6656

It's interesting how primitive the DDR border was, even compared to the Czech side.
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Old June 12th, 2017, 04:57 PM   #15437
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I thought there was a customs union between France and (West) Germany prior to the common zone.
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Old June 12th, 2017, 11:32 PM   #15438
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The custom union among the member states came into effect on 1st January 1993 with the creation of the .single market.
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Old June 12th, 2017, 11:32 PM   #15439
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What do you mean by a customs union? Free movement of goods? That would probably be the EEC (European Economic Community). I don't think there was free movement of people prior to Schengen. However regular checks at the border crossings became less and less frequent with the years.
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Old June 12th, 2017, 11:58 PM   #15440
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What do you mean by a customs union? Free movement of goods? That would probably be the EEC (European Economic Community). I don't think there was free movement of people prior to Schengen. However regular checks at the border crossings became less and less frequent with the years.
The EU Customs Union is not the same as EEC nor it is the same as Schengen Area. The following chart delivers a high-level understanding on the overlapping areas and conventions:


(Wikipedia)

The chart is a simplification, because it lacks some layers, like the EU VAT Area. The VAT areas need a more granular map, because there are areas inside the EU which are excluded from the VAT area.
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