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Old June 11th, 2009, 07:52 AM   #1541
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No, half-yearly Slovenian are orange. I still have mine on my windshield.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 08:45 AM   #1542
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Yes it is half year and orange.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 03:49 PM   #1543
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I didn't know that. So they are both orange, and next year vignettes will be green again, I suppose.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 08:27 PM   #1544
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2 nightshots from HR-BIH border-crossing Stara Gradiška - Bosanska Gradiška (croatian side)




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Old June 12th, 2009, 08:43 PM   #1545
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Old June 12th, 2009, 11:17 PM   #1546
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Wow! It's incredible. You will not find such border crossing anywhere in Europe.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 01:23 AM   #1547
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Kapıkule is the Turkish frontier town in Edirne Province on the border of Turkey and Bulgaria. Its counterpart on the Bulgarian side is Kapitan Andreevo. Together, they are the second busiest land border crossing point in the world[1] and the busiest in Europe.[2]
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Old June 13th, 2009, 01:39 AM   #1548
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I'm surprised, I didn't think it would be that one.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 02:33 AM   #1549
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All the Turks travelling to/from Western Europe and all the Turkish trucks to the EU use this boarder check point. This is also the road that connects the EU with South-western Asia.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 12:05 PM   #1550
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What a surprise! How many vehicles pass that border crossing every day (AADT)?
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Old June 13th, 2009, 12:12 PM   #1551
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Tijuana - San Diego

Have you noticed that much more cars are on the way to USA than to Mexico.

And I don't think that border crossing in Kapikule is so busy and for sure it's not as big as in Tijuana.

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Old June 13th, 2009, 12:43 PM   #1552
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That PDF doesn't cite any actual numbers. So this source isn't credible at all, anyone can say their border crossing is the busiest...

As far as I know, A16/E19 Hazeldonk (NL/B) is still the busiest at 57.779 vehicles per day on average. That's still twice as busy as the A5/A2 Basel border (D/CH), which has 32.000

If anyone has other sources that prove otherwise, please post them.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 01:48 PM   #1553
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That PDF doesn't cite any actual numbers. So this source isn't credible at all, anyone can say their border crossing is the busiest...

As far as I know, A16/E19 Hazeldonk (NL/B) is still the busiest at 57.779 vehicles per day on average. That's still twice as busy as the A5/A2 Basel border (D/CH), which has 32.000

If anyone has other sources that prove otherwise, please post them.
...And your source for A16/E19?


In 2005, 4.29 million people passed through Kapikule.
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The degree of "busy" of a road is not measured by the amount of people, but by the amount of vehicles. If you take 1 person per car, 4.290.000 / 365 days = only 11.753 persons per day. But it's more plausible that there are 3 persons per vehicle on average, which means only 3.918 vehicles pass through Kapikule daily, which would made it a quiet border crossing. All Dutch motorway border crossings are busier than that, ranging from 7.000 to 58.000 vehicles per day.

My source is the INWEVA 2006 (XLS!) by Rijkswaterstaat, the Dutch road and water authority.
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The degree of "busy" of a road is not measured by the amount of people, but by the amount of vehicles. If you take 1 person per car, 4.290.000 / 365 days = only 11.753 persons per day. But it's more plausible that there are 3 persons per vehicle on average, which means only 3.918 vehicles pass through Kapikule daily, which would made it a quiet border crossing. All Dutch motorway border crossings are busier than that, ranging from 7.000 to 58.000 vehicles per day.
Yeah, thanks for the clarification but it was a simple mistake on my part: 4.29 million vehicles passed through Kapikule which would make it a pretty busy border crossing.

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Didn't see this particular border crossing, but I noticed that numbers are given on a per week basis, not on a daily basis. You said there are 57.999 vehicles/day crossing the border. Is that true?
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Didn't see this particular border crossing, but I noticed that numbers are given on a per week basis, not on a daily basis. You said there are 57.999 vehicles/day crossing the border. Is that true?
It's Hazeldonk, last on the A16 list.

In Dutch traffic engineering, there are weekdays and workdays (weekdag and werkdag). The werkdag is the average of monday - friday. The weekdag is the average from monday - sunday.
There are also weekenddays (weekenddag) but those are barely used, except for touristic areas with a lot of weekend traffic.

Dutch traffic engineering usually uses the werkdag average.

So if you see: werkdag 100.000, that means 100.000 is the average for monday through friday. So it's a one-day value, you do not have to divide it by 5.
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I found it. So that means that there's 250,000+ vehicles passing that crossing on any given 5-week day? Sounds a little too high, but anyway. At the same time, it's not really fair to compare "crossings" where there isn't any passport or customs control with a crossing such as Kapikule where there's definitely passport and customs controls.
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If they mean Europe's biggest border crossing with control it sounds plausible to me.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 04:40 PM   #1559
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Have you noticed that much more cars are on the way to USA than to Mexico.
Not necessarily true, and I'll offer you two reasons why:

(1) Just because traffic is backed up more on the northbound side, that doesn't mean the traffic flow is heavier - just that the inspection takes longer per vehicle.

(2) One side or the other might be more backed up due to the time of day; i.e., more people may be going north in the morning, and south in the evening.

If you think about it, it's common sense that one direction wouldn't be heavier: for one direction to be heavier, it would mean that all those extra people are getting visas and staying in the country.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 06:42 PM   #1560
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If they mean Europe's biggest border crossing with control it sounds plausible to me.
Maybe that's what they meant. Still, 11,753 doesn't sound so huge. There's still control of goods on the Swiss border, and Basel (CH-D) has 32,000, as Chris has said. What about the Channel Tunnel, or it doesn't count as land border crossing? Just as comparison, the border crossing Obrežje/Bregana between Slovenia and Croatia (Ljubljana - Zagreb) had AADT 9,206 last year.
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