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Old September 5th, 2017, 11:57 PM   #15761
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(Toulouse airport can be hold, it is within a similar distance)
there are. weird, but there are. check Skyscanner. or Atlantic Airways (yes, Faroe Islands obviously have their flag carrier, I had no idea about)
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Old September 6th, 2017, 12:06 AM   #15762
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Why is the border lifted up here:
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.54345...2!8i6656?hl=es
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Old September 6th, 2017, 12:34 AM   #15763
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It is a 2011 picture and fence didn't had any longer use. If you go forward you will see current road.

Not far from there look at this roundabout
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.54917...2!8i6656?hl=es

Ahead, the same building (Andorra, absolutely boundaring), Right, Envalira tolled tunnel. It was opened in 2002 without custom booths and... if you wanna go from Andorra mainland to that little village (and very big ski resort) you may cross the tunnel, enter in France for a while and again in Andorra (it is possible to do within Andorra using a service road but not opened for traffic normally).

This is, in 2011 fence was there but no officers at all.

Booths are here, inside French territory

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.55965...2!8i6656?hl=es

Both police cars are from Andorra with their flag and written "Custom" in Catalan.

If we go forward, an 2009 image points booths under construction and seems not to have many passport control (and let's remember you were free to cross the tunnel instead of entering the town of Pas de la Casa)

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.55960...2!8i6656?hl=es

But just glancing in google... custom controls are the same back to France than back to Spain



(someone told me that in France, from time to time you can go to "nothing to declare" and be stopped by police one km. later...).

It is like in airports but in a car you can carry a lot of smuggling goods. I watched a Discovery documentary about customs and Andorran ones appeared sometimes.

This is, booths are inside France, Looking in the infrastructure, Andorra barely looks who enters (and they can let you go without passport control in both countries despite it is a non-Schengen border)
But back to France, all cars opened and checked.

In Spain more or less same situation but passport booths are exactly in the border (and customs are after passport booths... which are almost empty too).
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Old September 6th, 2017, 12:45 AM   #15764
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Looking for former pictures... Andorran booths with Spain



Ahead a pannel saying in Catalan, "You are in Andorran lands, Welcome", and name of tourism association.

Nowadays glance this picture

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.43538...2!8i6656?hl=es

Taken exactly in current booths. Right building is the same.
Pannel has dissapear but religious sculpture remains ahead in the left and with a new pannel, quite bigger. Just go through



This picture



was taken in 1965.

First officers are Spanish, ahead an Andorran flag. Have not seen anything about these buildings

There are a lot of pictures about this little country that has taken a lot of nightmares because smuggling and doesn't have prime minister but recognises both to Urgel bishop and French president as both prime ministers for the country. They do not have army and, because mountains they have more relations with south rather than to north.

It is almost a circle 30 km corner to corner. Capital is 10 km from Spain, 20 from France (direct line) and receives people for working (barely dole) and for tourism from all the world.

By the way, they open 361 days per year. This friday, national day in Andorra is one out of those four days in the year when shops are closed.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 01:00 AM   #15765
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Does the french language spoken in canada differ from one spoken in france?
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Of course, its more archaic...sometimes, the French will make fun of Quebecois accents.
As far as I know, the standard French of France is still considered the standard for Quebec. So you'll hear (from different people and in different circumstances) everything from unintelligible* to French-French-with-a-slight-accent (on, say, a news broadcast).

* unintelligible for an American who's been learning French for 40 years but doesn't have many opportunities to speak it)

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Old September 6th, 2017, 01:25 AM   #15766
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it is same language completely - just people have a different accent, some slang terms differ... same situation as English language in the US vs. UK (and of course lots of regional variation on either side)
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Old September 6th, 2017, 01:34 AM   #15767
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There are a lot of pictures about this little country that has taken a lot of nightmares because smuggling and doesn't have prime minister but recognises both to Urgel bishop and French president as both prime ministers for the country. They do not have army and, because mountains they have more relations with south rather than to north.
Sorry, but that's not accurate:

Andorra is a parliamentary democracy since the adoption of the 1993 Constitution and the prime minister/head of government (cap de govern), is elected by the parliament after each general election. The current prime minister is Mr. Antoni Martí.

On the other hand, Andorra doesn't have its own head of State. This role is played by two Co-princes (coprínceps), who are the Spanish Bishop of Urgell (based in La Seu d'Urgell, just 10 km from Andorra), and the President of France.

More information can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Andorra
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Old September 6th, 2017, 05:14 AM   #15768
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it is same language completely - just people have a different accent, some slang terms differ... same situation as English language in the US vs. UK (and of course lots of regional variation on either side)
Except that if an English text is long enough, you'll come across British spellings that aren't used in the U.S. or vice versa, British spellings.... With Canada falling somewhere in between. In French, I can't think of anything in a text that would tell me its Québécois rather than "français de France" apart from terminology specific to Quebec ("cégep", "péquiste"....) ; spelling and grammar are identical.
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Border between the Zones A and B of the Julian March in 1946 (so-called Morgan Line):


http://www.rtvslo.si/kultura/razstav...-cone-a/431833 (photo: Božo Štajer)

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Old September 6th, 2017, 11:44 PM   #15770
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Border between the Zones A and B of the Free Territory of Trieste in 1946:
Interesting photo, I've never seen it before. It was probably Rabuiese/Skofje.
However the Free Territory of Trieste was created in 1947. In 1946 it was still the border between "US occupied zone" and "Yugoslav occupied zone". It was like the partition of Germany in 1945-49, or Austria in 1945-55.
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Yes and then, Tito made a deal so Trieste or the Zone A, became part of Italy... What I know is that in those years there was shouting in YU about that Trieste should be 'given back'.
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Initially even Italian communists wanted Trieste to join the SFRY as its 7th federate republic.
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But that was after the war so the deal was not made yet. It took decades for that deal. What is interesting is that YU had free access to Trst port after the deal was signed by both sides.
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But that was after the war so the deal was not made yet. It took decades for that deal. What is interesting is that YU had free access to Trst port after the deal was signed by both sides.
You mean the Osimo treaty? It basically didn't introduced many changes, it mostly made official a situation that had been ongoing de facto for 20 years (since London Memorandum).
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That was the most obvious change in that treaty, that YU got free access to the port on the Italian territory. So it was like a corridor without stopping.
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Trieste port is still a "free area" outside Italian custom/VAT area, since the Treaty of Paris (1947), ant that continued under Italian rule after 1954.
Freight can be freely moved and processed within the port area without any custom operation. There are custom checkpoints at entrances of the port.
https://www.google.it/maps/@45.64552...7i13312!8i6656

However, if freight were moved by road or rail between Yugoslavia and Trieste port across Italy they had to go through customs I think.
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Interesting photo, I've never seen it before. It was probably Rabuiese/Skofje.
However the Free Territory of Trieste was created in 1947. In 1946 it was still the border between "US occupied zone" and "Yugoslav occupied zone". It was like the partition of Germany in 1945-49, or Austria in 1945-55.
Oops, you're right, it's actually the Morgan Line in the Julian March (not necessarily close to Trieste at all).
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Does anybody have recent photos of Kosovo borders? I am just curious how it looks like.
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Here are a few pics I did 3 weeks ago...

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Kosovo and Albania (Qafë Morinë - Gjakovë)

Border Crossing Qafa Morina - Gjakova by cinxxx, on Flickr

Border Crossing Qafa Morina - Gjakova by cinxxx, on Flickr

and back...

Border Crossing Qafa Morina - Gjkova by cinxxx, on Flickr
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