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Old June 13th, 2009, 06:42 PM   #1561
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Yeah, that pic may have been taken in the afternoon after all the Tijuana shoppers from San Diego return into the United States. Anyway, this border crossing is a mess.. I heard they build a new one a bit to the east.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 09:17 PM   #1562
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All non-Schengen countries perhaps? I doubt that the Channel Tunnel counts, since it's not really a road.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 11:06 PM   #1563
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Europark Coevorden

The Europark is a new industrial park situated on the border of Germany and the Netherlands. The funny thing about this is, is that nobody seems to know where the border precisely runs, so you can see Dutch roads with German road signs. Besides the main border crossing (N382 / B403), there are no signs indicating the border.

The map below does not accuratly presents the border.
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1. Op de noordelijke verbindingsweg tussen de twee rotondes, kijkend naar de N382.
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2. Zelfde plek, kijkend in de andere richting.
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3. Dit is nog in Nederland, maar de B403 staat alleen aangegeven.
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4. De grote rotonde. Aan de overkant komen de twee 2x1 wegen op de rotonde uit.
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5. Volgens de kaart is dit nog in Nederland. Duitse borden.
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6. Hier idem, kijkend richting westen.
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7. Kijkend richting zuiden. Dit zou al in Duitsland moeten zijn.
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8. Kijkend richting de grote rotonde. Tussen hier en die rotonde zou ergens de grens moeten lopen, maar geen duidelijkheid.
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9. De zuidelijke van de 2x1 wegen. Dit is duidelijk wat ouder.
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10. Links N382, rechts B403. De duitse grens is ongeveer 100m naar rechts langs de weg. Het verloop van de verdere grens lijkt echter onduidelijk te zijn.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 11:21 PM   #1564
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Are there no stone markers?
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Old June 14th, 2009, 08:17 AM   #1565
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Not necessarily true, and I'll offer you two reasons why:

(1) Just because traffic is backed up more on the northbound side, that doesn't mean the traffic flow is heavier - just that the inspection takes longer per vehicle.

(2) One side or the other might be more backed up due to the time of day; i.e., more people may be going north in the morning, and south in the evening.

If you think about it, it's common sense that one direction wouldn't be heavier: for one direction to be heavier, it would mean that all those extra people are getting visas and staying in the country.
The big difference is in the level of inspections on the two sides. Northbound, the USA is very thorough. Southbound, the Baja Peninsula is in what Mexico considers to be its 'border zone', with a very weak inspection protocol. To venture deeper into Mexico one must go through an inspection about as thorough as the USA's at a checkpoint farther inland.

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Old June 14th, 2009, 08:29 PM   #1566
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The degree of "busy" of a road is not measured by the amount of people, but by the amount of vehicles. If you take 1 person per car, 4.290.000 / 365 days = only 11.753 persons per day. But it's more plausible that there are 3 persons per vehicle on average, which means only 3.918 vehicles pass through Kapikule daily, which would made it a quiet border crossing. All Dutch motorway border crossings are busier than that, ranging from 7.000 to 58.000 vehicles per day.

My source is the INWEVA 2006 (XLS!) by Rijkswaterstaat, the Dutch road and water authority.
You are almost right. My Turkish is not that good, but my calculations give an AADT of 3835 (there is a list of the number of vehicles by type). The problem here is that it has a rather seasonal traffic - much like Gootthard there are enormous queues in July and August - mainly Turkish gastarbeiters. In these days AADT shall be more than 30.000 (no official data though). Still it is the busiest border crossing on the Balkans in term of TIR crossings - AADT 1236 according to my calculations (remember - this is for 2005)
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Old June 15th, 2009, 01:28 AM   #1567
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You are almost right. My Turkish is not that good, but my calculations give an AADT of 3835 (there is a list of the number of vehicles by type). The problem here is that it has a rather seasonal traffic - much like Gootthard there are enormous queues in July and August - mainly Turkish gastarbeiters. In these days AADT shall be more than 30.000 (no official data though). Still it is the busiest border crossing on the Balkans in term of TIR crossings - AADT 1236 according to my calculations (remember - this is for 2005)
4,290,000 / 365 = 11,753.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 08:14 PM   #1568
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4,290,000 / 365 = 11,753.
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http://arsiv.ntvmsnbc.com/news/306147.asp OTOMOBİL, KAMYON, OTOBÜS
Sınır kapısından geçen otomobil sayısı ise 437 bin 841’i giriş, 428 bin 952’si çıkış olmak üzere toplam 866 bin 793’ü bulunken 2003’te kapıdan 692 bin 421 otomobil geçmişti. Kapıkule’den geçen yolcu otobüsler ve kamyonetlerin sayısında da artış yaşandı.
2004’te sınır kapısından 24 bin 167’si giriş, 24 bin 252’i çıkış olmak üzere toplam 48 bin 419 otobüsü geçerken, 2003 yılında ise bu sayı 48 bin 156 olmuştu. Yine sınır kapısından geçen yıl 10 bin 225’i giriş, 23 bin 253’ü de çıkış olmak üzere toplam 33 bin 478 kamyonet, 2003’te ise 28 bin 279 kamyonet geçti.

450 BİN TIR GEÇTİ
Türkiye’nin kara yoluyla yaptığı ihracatın önemli bir bölümünün geçtiği Kapıkule’den 230 bin 204’ü giriş, 220 bin 27’si çıkış olmak üzere toplam 450 bin 231 adet de TIR geçiş yaptı. 2003 yılında sınır kapısını kullanan TIR sayı 366 bin 768 olmuştu.
otomobiller / automobiles: 437 bin 841’i giriş (437.841 entering) + 428 bin 952’si çıkış (428.952 exiting) = toplam (total) 866 bin 793 (866.793) / 365 = 2735 AADT

otobüsler / buses: 24 bin 167’si giriş(24.167 entering) + 24 bin 252’i çıkış (24.252 exititng) = toplam(total) 48 bin 419 (48.419) / 365 = 133 AADT

kamyonet / small trucks: 10 bin 225’i giriş(10.255 entering) + 23 bin 253’ü de çıkış (23 253 exiting) = toplam (total) 33 bin 478(33.478) / 365 = 92 AADT

TIR: 230 bin 204’ü giriş (230.204 entering)+ 220 bin 27’si çıkış (220.027 exiting) = toplam(total) 450 bin 231 (450.231) / 365 = 1233 AADT

2735 automobiles + 133 buses + 92 small trucks + 1233 TIRs = 4139 AADT, but the number of TIRs crossing the border is about 33% of that number

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Old June 15th, 2009, 10:20 PM   #1569
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That industrial park is a very interesting and strange situaiton.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 11:35 PM   #1570
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I hope there will be much more such investments in Schengen zone. They will help in obliterating old borders.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 08:30 PM   #1571
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The funny thing about this is, is that nobody seems to know where the border precisely runs, so you can see Dutch roads with German road signs.
Same situation is here (green signs are Polish ones)







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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:00 PM   #1572
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RP and CR i assume it means Rzeczpospolita Polska and Česka Republika
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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:02 PM   #1573
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Polish sign on czech side But probably the polish put it there right?
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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:07 PM   #1574
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RP - Philippines in the international code

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But probably the polish put it there right?
I think so as these are Polish names. There is also another one, but quite old - you can change that
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Old June 16th, 2009, 11:58 PM   #1575
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Why are countries' names short forms not as it's usual in white circles but in brackets? And why are they wrong?

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Old June 17th, 2009, 08:49 AM   #1576
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Borders are (mostly) only marked for touristic purposes, like here on the Dutch/German border where the border runs through a village (Dinxperlo on the Dutch side, Suderwick on the German side)

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Old June 17th, 2009, 11:56 AM   #1577
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Why are countries' names short forms not as it's usual in white circles but in brackets? And why are they wrong?
Those are totally right. Rzeczpospolita Polska and Ceska Republika are OK if aren't into white oval.
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Old June 17th, 2009, 02:11 PM   #1578
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^ It should be ČR though, not CR. Or RC (Republika Czeska).
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Old June 18th, 2009, 05:04 PM   #1579
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Hello Everyone! I am so happy to know that its not only me who is obsessed with the border crossings and its nice to see that so many people are interested in these stuff.
I had been to UK,Ireand,Hungary,austria,Romania,Slovakia,Germany,Belgium,Czech Republic. I have some meomrable pics and videos of borders of some countries. I will love to update them and share with you all.

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Old June 18th, 2009, 05:34 PM   #1580
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^ It should be ČR though, not CR. Or RC (Republika Czeska).
if Republika Czeska than we have RCz
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