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Old September 25th, 2017, 11:29 PM   #15921
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BTW, regarding the Franco-Andorran border (I've been there numerous times), I have never ever seen any customs control before entering Andorra.... While the opposite (from Andorra back to France) is not really the same, because of the limited quantities of goods (cigarettes and alcohol more precisely) you're allowed to import to France from Andorra.
That said, despite there is a customs office over there, French customs controls/checks on the French soil are done by what we call the "Douane volante" (customs mobile units) since a while, and they are allowed to control/check vehicles, goods, people's identity etc, everywhere inside the French territory + Monaco.

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Old September 25th, 2017, 11:40 PM   #15922
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Speaking of which, here is a pic I took on the Franco-Monegasque border when I used to spend several months a year in Monaco (pic already posted in this thread if I remember well....but...well....that was 5-6 years or so ago.....so..) :


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I was here just before Christmas as our family went to the Monaco vs Lyon game. When the game ended we had to run quickly through the streets to the Monaco SNCF station to get the train back to Nice. We exited the stadium on the south side but needed to get to the NE side quickly so we actually left Monaco and briefly entered France on foot and then back to Monaco w/o any issues.

We were here:
https://goo.gl/maps/e4NyB3xDGgu exiting the stadium in the background at ground level

We then ran to here:

https://goo.gl/maps/c2ZN9QtaXer (stadium on the right in Monaco..road in front of us is in France)

https://goo.gl/maps/aVFgnRAsRPJ2 got to here and then ran back into Monaco.

If you ever are in Monaco at night and want to have a nice meal and footie on the TV (I know that seems like a odd combo).

https://goo.gl/maps/rpYS4FFuCdR2

This is how they ensure that unwanted cars don't enter the old town

https://goo.gl/maps/4uUzruBsq5D2 (only cars with MC plates or department 06 plates beyond this point. Police seem to be there most of the time

Does anyone know where the pedestrian tunnel is to the south of the Monaco train station. We ran through it as a short cut to get to the train station and it was about 500 m long and it reduced our journey by a great deal.
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Old September 25th, 2017, 11:48 PM   #15923
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Yeah, but Monaco despite it is not Schengen area at all, they have an agreement with other countries (so do Vatican city and San Marino, despite... it is enough with Italian controls)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

You can enter in Spain and having a passport control to Andorra ... there are booths and it is out of Schengen area but, obviously, they can ask for any control.

Anyway, you can take an off-road car, go to Os de Civis (1920m osl) and go through Andorra via CG-6

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.49517...2!8i6656?hl=es

For Spanish officers, no passport control worries... only importing goods and going through mountains without paying taxes will be considered smuggling.
For Andorran authorities... they do not worry too much about goods and trust that in mountains main control is done by France and Spain.



Hint.... let's consider Barcelona (E) - Soldeu (AND) by car. Fastest way is crossing four tolled tunnels and via France

https://www.google.es/maps/dir/Barce...7791!3e0?hl=es

First, just getting out Barcelona

https://www.google.es/maps/@41.42187...2!8i6656?hl=es

A tolled motorway and later an untolled one, and a tolled tunnel


Second, Cadi tunnel (tolled)

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.29430...2!8i6656?hl=es

Have entered in France... and Llivia enclave is ahead, but have to turn left in this brigde

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.44528...2!8i6656?hl=es

Puymorens tunnel, tolled in France (previous map is through tunnel)

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.53977...2!8i6656?hl=es

Just after tunnel, Andorre in the left

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.57792...2!8i6656?hl=es


And despite signs are Andorran style and text is in Catalan, until the bridge here we are in France yet. After there, Envalira tunnel (different fare for winter and summer!!!!)

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.54908...2!8i6656?hl=es

Soldeu will appear just after the tunnel!!!!
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Old September 25th, 2017, 11:52 PM   #15924
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I was here just before Christmas as our family went to the Monaco vs Lyon game. When the game ended we had to run quickly through the streets to the Monaco SNCF station to get the train back to Nice. We exited the stadium on the south side but needed to get to the NE side quickly so we actually left Monaco and briefly entered France on foot and then back to Monaco w/o any issues.[...]

Ahhhh... the glorious Stade Louis II ....



Here are some pics taken by myself :
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Old September 26th, 2017, 12:02 AM   #15925
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@alserrod: Anyway...

Here is a little illustration for us all (aka what a mess! ... LOL ):

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Old September 26th, 2017, 12:06 AM   #15926
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Yeah but that overlapping circles are nowhere near correct. Two more Baltic states are part of the Eurozone.
Also what has the Customs Union to do with Turkey? Although this is another thread issues I think its far from real. Maybe they say some kind of bilateral agreements of some countries with Turkey. But its not like real custom union.

Also there are two more countries that are using Euro as a national currency (Montenegro and Kosovo) and this is illegal or really strange (?)
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Old September 26th, 2017, 12:15 AM   #15927
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Yeah but that overlapping circles are nowhere near correct.
This graph' is not up to date, indeed!


(my self-quote is from 2013 BTW)
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Old September 26th, 2017, 12:20 AM   #15928
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Ahhhh... the glorious Stade Louis II ....



Here are some pics taken by myself :


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Great photos. What I found surprising about the stadium is the fact that below pitch level there is a volleyball ? basketball ? court and before the game all of the various teams of Monaco paraded around the pitch.

As well, this has to be one of the tightest/smallest gas stations around. I guess it is credit cards only

https://goo.gl/maps/LeHn59g28yv

The only other gas station I know of is here in an underground parking garage:

https://goo.gl/maps/CHbL2n4WZvr
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Old September 26th, 2017, 12:27 AM   #15929
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Getting out from Sant Julia de Loria.... I think there were five petrol stations within 1,5 km or less, all of them left side, one right side

https://www.google.ca/maps/@42.46060...2!8i6656?hl=en
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Old September 26th, 2017, 12:43 AM   #15930
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Great photos.
Thanks!


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below pitch level there is a volleyball ? basketball ? court
Yep! (And also an Olympic-size pool) :

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[...]the whole complex also includes many office spaces, an university, several gymnasiums, several squash courts, a training indoor running track, etc...
Regarding the indoor sports hall and the aquatic facility, they are actually located under the stands & pitch, nearby the (1,700 spaces) 4-level car park also located under the pitch, pitch which is at 9 meters above street level. BTW you can see the aquatic facility from this car park, as I noticed several times when I've been to Louis II.

Unfortunately I don't have any plan to show, but here are some more pics of the sports hall and aquatic center of Louis II:




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I was recently in Vatican and saw Italian police patrolling the Vatican area.

How is it regulated?
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I think someone explained in this thread. I remember, soberanity is Vatican but there is an agreement to enter and have a look. This is .... a thief cannot do something and enter in Vatican and just say "I am in another country". Easy treats and back to Italy

Isn't it?
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Sports and borders


This is main Andorran stadium.

1.800 seats only!!!

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.50100...!3m1!1e3?hl=es

In 1999 when they had to play an official match against France, they received so many French ticket requests that they decided to play in Barcelona.

I chatted with a French friend and said France played in homeside... 'cos Barcelona is nearer to France than to Andorra (and Perpignan has more population...)

AFAIK, they have played a second time in Barcelona but rest of matches there... They have tiny stadiums for other matches.

This year, Andorran champion played Champions' league against a team from Armenia (guess how to reach mountain to mountain country) and lost again in first leg.


They have a major basketball team (and my homecity team strongly lost yesterday!!!!) and play here

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.50502...2!8i6656?hl=es

They have 5.000 seats


They play all matches against Spanish teams. This season (2017-18) are to play Eurocup as Spanish league team due to 2017 results.

AFAIK there aren't referees in Andorra. When a team is to play in major leagues, no referees from their region can be in that match. This is... a team for R.Madrid couldn't have a Madrid referee, even an R.Madrid-At.Madrid couldn't have (or any other match between teams in the region, same for other major sports). They will always ask for referees from other regions and as Andorra is not a Spanish region, all ones will come from anywhere in Spain.

I have read sometimes only delays in border due to congestion but never problem with security (it is Andorran police who surveys it) or problems to enter and play.
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all that I know regarding the Andorra National football Team is that each time they had to play France (WC or EC qualification stage), they played at Montjuic (Barcelona).
(love, love that stadium BTW )

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I was recently in Vatican and saw Italian police patrolling the Vatican area.

How is it regulated?
Italian police can only patrol St. Peter Square, but not the rest of the country, that is patrolled by Vatican Gendarmerie.
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Also what has the Customs Union to do with Turkey? Although this is another thread issues I think its far from real. Maybe they say some kind of bilateral agreements of some countries with Turkey. But its not like real custom union.
It's a quite real customs union (except agricultural products).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe..._Customs_Union
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Also there are two more countries that are using Euro as a national currency (Montenegro and Kosovo) and this is illegal or really strange (?)
How could that be illegal? Montenegro is a sovereign country and Kosovo at least acts like one (note: I have no intention to pick a side about this issue here). Whatever they make into a law – such as using the euro as their currency – is, by definition, legal.
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Andorra used Franc and Peseta despite no agreement without French or Spanish bank

BTW, maybe unique country with two official currencies. Usually most of prices and accountability in pesetas but exchange rate was free.

they decided to use euro only one year before peseta and franc were to dissapear.



AFAIK, Kosovo used Marc, didn't they?
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