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Old September 29th, 2017, 02:05 PM   #16001
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I read about Polish "dentist tourism".
Health centres for dentist treatments where, mainly German but from anywhere, they were doctors who spoke several languages, made treatments on weekends and, if required several days, a pack offered also a tour over the city where health center was.
All quite cheaper than in other countries...
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Old September 29th, 2017, 02:15 PM   #16002
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Yes in poor countries the thing is when you go abroad everything is expensive if you come from poor country but the otherwise is also true and they come because their standard is much higher but they want to pay less price over the border. Now in two towns just across the border they come and do business, dentists and so on.... And the locals adapted so they will learn a few words of their language and the thing is somehow going on
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Old September 29th, 2017, 11:51 PM   #16003
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I read about Polish "dentist tourism".
Health centres for dentist treatments where, mainly German but from anywhere, they were doctors who spoke several languages, made treatments on weekends and, if required several days, a pack offered also a tour over the city where health center was.
All quite cheaper than in other countries...
Very same story for Western Hungary. Be it Austrians just hopping across, or retirees from Germany or Switzerland via organized coach ride.
Complete "packages" may also be purchased, comprising travel, hotel and the dental treatment itself.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 11:56 PM   #16004
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I have seen full page Hungarian dentist ads in Finnish newspapers...

Roughly calculating, maybe twenty operations are needed to only cover the cost of one ad. I wonder if that's really profitable... of course, one satisfied customer may return several times.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 12:06 AM   #16005
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Many Italians go to Slovenia or Croatia for cheaper dental care.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 01:05 AM   #16006
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I have seen full page Hungarian dentist ads in Finnish newspapers...
But it would be much closer to Estonia...
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Old September 30th, 2017, 01:32 AM   #16007
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I read about Polish "dentist tourism".
I know someone who went to Poland for dental work who lived in Canada
Naturally she was of Polish origin but still, to have dental work and still save money enough for the flight (think 1000 EUR)...
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Old September 30th, 2017, 01:40 AM   #16008
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Same story in Denmark. Advertising dental treatment in Poland.
I know someone here who paid DKK 125.000(€ 16.600) for a major dental treatment in DK.
You could have done it for 40-50% cheaper in Poland. That is a lot of money to save. Another aspect of the story, that young people in the early 20's do not go to dentist regulary because of the price.
Dental treatments in Denmark are very expensive.
When I visit my dentist ( twice a year ) for checking and stuff for like 10 minutes, I pay DKK 300 ( € 40 ). Young people think it is a lot of money for nearly nothing.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 01:42 AM   #16009
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Then I don't think it was cheaper than visiting a Canadian dentist

But if she went to Poland just for a visit, then it could make sense to use the opportunity to visit a dentist here.

SeanT - Don't you have a national healthcare system in Denmark, so that you have to pay even for very basic dental services, like a check?

In Poland (for the people living in Poland, of course, and being Polish or EU citizens), a check, if I remember well, once a year - or something like that - is free. Fillings - too, but the modern composite-based type (the white one) only in the front teeth. In the back ones - only the one that contains mercury, for the modern one you have to pay. You also have to pay for canal treatment if it's needed - if I am not wrong, the only thing they can do with a tooth for free if it cannot be cured is removing it. Although I am not sure about the front ones, I think the canal treatment in such one might be also free.

The only thing is that you must choose a dental office which has an agreement with the national healthcare system, and many do not. Some people think the quality of service in those fully commercial ones is higher but my experience shows that it doesn't matter. There are bad dentists with no healthcare system contracts and good ones with such contracts too.

I have a hole in one of my teeth for a week and I am just waiting for a visit at my dentist, which I arranged for the Friday next week... I hope it won't start hurting before that time. For the time being, it doesn't hurt, but I feel kind of pressure in this tooth. I could go to another dentist, which would be definitely available sooner, but I prefer to go to the dentist I usually go to as I know she does the things the right way.

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Old September 30th, 2017, 02:00 AM   #16010
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In the east everything is cheaper than in the west Its always like that...
But I am sure many people do surgeries and hospital related stuff abroad as do many foreigneres I have seen come here for the same purpose. They will cross the border and they will pay not just less price but the treatment is always better than in their own country. And I am speaking about private healhtcare institution. Now the public is not possible here, except that there is a bilateral agreement and you have the papers that you are insured in the country that is in the agreement with my own...
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Old September 30th, 2017, 02:03 AM   #16011
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In Poland (for the people living in Poland, of course, and being Polish or EU citizens), a check, if I remember well, once a year - or something like that - is free. Fillings - too, but the modern composite-based type (the white one) only in the front teeth. In the back ones - only the one that contains mercury, for the modern one you have to pay. You also have to pay for canal treatment if it's needed - if I am not wrong, the only thing they can do with a tooth for free if it cannot be cured is removing it. Although I am not sure about the front ones, I think the canal treatment in such one might be also free.

That's interesting. In Canada we have "famous" socialized healthcare, but dentistry is essentially completely uncovered. If you have a good job, usually they will include a private insurance to cover some fees (e.g. scaling, fillings) though.

Curiously, within 1 km of my office, which is not in a particularly "ethnic" area, has at least 4 different dentist and dental surgeons who are obviously Polish (signs like Dr. Pawel, Dr. Katarzyna, etc). Maybe Polish people are just really good at dentistry, like Scotsmen who make booze
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Old September 30th, 2017, 02:12 AM   #16012
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In Poland the general national healthcare is - maybe not bad, most doctors are very good and the hospitals are also well equipped - but the problem is, you often have to wait very long for an appointment with a doctor. Often months - to some specialists. So if you are gonna die or get much worse before your appointment, you have no choice but to go privately.

Or to a GP - at least to the one I use - you very often have to register very early in the morning to make an appointment. Otherwise they will say their day is full and they don't register people for another day. Although the system of registration differs from doctor's office to doctor's office (in Poland, unlike e.g. Germany, they are usually in form of bigger medical centers with GP's and doctors of all the most important specializations in one place).

Concerning the hospitals, the quality of service differs from hospital to hospital. Someone from my family was recently in one where they weren't really informative and the doctor taking care of them didn't really want to talk to us about the state of his health, just saying that they did what was needed and that was all... And on the discharge paper from the hospital, they wrote that he has diabetes and that he need diabetes diet and regular checking of the sugar level in the blood. Meanwhile, when the GP looked at those papers, exactly - at the blood control results - she said that he has no diabetes at all... Such a mess they have in this hospital. But I think most hospitals, especially those specialist ones, are well-organized and the doctors actually take care of the patients.

A thing which is poor in most hospitals is the food. Formerly, all the hospitals had kitchens and employed cooks who were preparing the meals for the patients. Now most hospitals outsource it in catering companies which decreased the quality very much.

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Old September 30th, 2017, 02:55 AM   #16013
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That's interesting. In Canada we have "famous" socialized healthcare, but dentistry is essentially completely uncovered. If you have a good job, usually they will include a private insurance to cover some fees (e.g. scaling, fillings) though.

Curiously, within 1 km of my office, which is not in a particularly "ethnic" area, has at least 4 different dentist and dental surgeons who are obviously Polish (signs like Dr. Pawel, Dr. Katarzyna, etc). Maybe Polish people are just really good at dentistry, like Scotsmen who make booze
My employer-based dental coverage includes free checkups every six months. Haven't paid them a cent out of pocket since I broke a tooth in 2004. And my dentist is French, if that's relevant.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 08:59 AM   #16014
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But it would be much closer to Estonia...
Exactly, which is one of the reasons that make me wonder, whether it is really profitable for a Hungarian dentist to advertise here.
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Maybe there is a good connection by lowcost flights between Finland and Hungary and that's the reason...
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Old September 30th, 2017, 04:58 PM   #16016
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When you turn 18, you pay your bills. Although you can be a member of "Danmark" than you can have 40% refound or so. You can only be a member if you are healthy like hell. That is why some people start to be a member, when they are young with no health issues. This cost you money aswell. So many people choose not to do, because they are healthy and you can use your money elsewhere and suddenly too late.
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How is public health regulated in Europe? Do you need to pay from your salary and what about the unemployed? All I know there is no free public health anywhere. Or maybe I'm wrong.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 07:18 PM   #16018
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It varies from country to country.

In Sweden it's paid for by the tax payers, and every citizen is covered, employed or unemployed. You pay heavily subsidised fees for various services when you need them, such as a hospital visit (~20 €). There's also a "high cost protection" which means you never pay more than ~110 €/year for health care, and an additional ~220 €/year for any prescription drugs. Dental care isn't covered, but you get a small dental grant (~30 €) every year to encourage getting a dental check-up.
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Every country has it is own rules.
At Germany the health insureance is paid with the salary.
People which get money from the state (like unemployment or retirement), that pays the state.
Students when they are older than 25, they must pay by own these are 90€/month
Selfemployment people must pay minimum 300€/month
People which have no job or which don't get money from the state they must pay 180€/month
Dental care is in Germany inclueded. So I need nothing to pay for a yearly checkup or when the thees hurts.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 08:59 PM   #16020
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As said, one country, one system...

In Spain:

5,6% of your salary goes for health service & retirement payments
0,8% of your salary goes for dole assurance

One person working has health services not only for him but for the whole family. This is, their wife/husband, children and, in case, parents or any other relative living with them who are disabled. It could be enought one person working (with minimum salary) to have health service for all of them.

And... a Spanish person living abroad has less rights than a foreing person living in Spain in this issue.

The only fact is that public health service will be given to all Spanish within Spain even if not working but not for foreings (they must be working).


For international travels I know that it is enough to have a general sample for the whole EU. They say that you may call in case you need health service and it could depend country and situation to be free or not.


I read that in Luxembourg they do not have public health service but, according to salaries, part (more or less) of their privates health plans is payed with public money.

I do not know about going there.
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