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Old October 26th, 2017, 12:29 AM   #16161
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What if you spend, let's say, 50% of your life in Flanders and 50% in Wallonia, and you have apartments in both regions?

Do you have in Belgium something like an official registration of the place where you live (Polish: meldunek, German: Anmeldung - there is no unambiguous English term for that), which is unique for the whole country?
I don't know, usually both Flemish and Wallons tend to stay in their own region; Belgium is the center of the EU, yet it's probably the country that discourage the most its inhabitants from mobility, there was even a decreet "Wonen in eigen streek" which means "living in your own region" which discouraged any outsider from an area to move in... it was ultimately rejected by the European Court, because it's "contrary to European values of freedom".
Belgians have a pariochial mentality.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 04:10 AM   #16162
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Old October 26th, 2017, 12:05 PM   #16163
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I don't know, usually both Flemish and Wallons tend to stay in their own region; Belgium is the center of the EU, yet it's probably the country that discourage the most its inhabitants from mobility, there was even a decreet "Wonen in eigen streek" which means "living in your own region" which discouraged any outsider from an area to move in... it was ultimately rejected by the European Court, because it's "contrary to European values of freedom".
Belgians have a pariochial mentality.
Considering all this, Belgium looks more like a loose union of two countries rather than a federation
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Old October 26th, 2017, 12:13 PM   #16164
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Considering all this, Belgium looks more like a loose union of two countries rather than a federation
I would rather call it: a disunion of a country into two (or four with Brussels and germans) disfunctioning and non-collaborating entities. Belgium could work if the will to make it work was there.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 12:45 PM   #16165
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How does Walloon work with the German minority in the East? Is signage in German and how does that work with the French mentality in the rest of Walloon?
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Old October 26th, 2017, 01:09 PM   #16166
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I don't know, usually both Flemish and Wallons tend to stay in their own region; Belgium is the center of the EU, yet it's probably the country that discourage the most its inhabitants from mobility, there was even a decreet "Wonen in eigen streek" which means "living in your own region" which discouraged any outsider from an area to move in... it was ultimately rejected by the European Court, because it's "contrary to European values of freedom".
Belgians have a pariochial mentality.
Would both regions prefer to to be on their own or be united with Netherlands and France?
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Old October 26th, 2017, 03:42 PM   #16167
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Considering all this, Belgium looks more like a loose union of two countries rather than a federation
Belgium is a particular case, because, unlikely most multi-ethnic countries (Spain, Switzerland, Russia, Canada,...), it has not a dominant ethnicity (Spanish, German, Russian, English), but it's an union of two widely-autonomous entities with their own strong identity, both more or less of the same size. The closest similar case in Europe is BiH.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 04:39 PM   #16168
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That quoted sentence ''disfunctioning and non-collaborating entities" reminds me of the Balkan struggle specially in Bosnia and Hercegovina. It is probably a country one of its kind, in Europe for sure, where you have two constitutional entities with their own borders (although not physical) but logical and legal, three constitutional ethnic groups, and three languages but they are all mutual in-between...
Now the Federation of Bosnia as one entity has the Bosnian Muslims and Croats as leaders in which in every local administrative unit there are representatives of the both ethnic minorities, while in 'Rep. Srpska' you have the Serbs and their pretendation for eventual secession from the country.
Both entities have their own constitutions, symbols, parliament like many other autonomous provinces.

It is for sure the most complicated system in Europe where the country has no president but a high representative (usually outsider) and members of the presidency of the Muslims, Croats and Serbs and they rotate an ethnic president of the three groups to act as head of the country for a short mandate, unseen in any other systems.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 09:21 PM   #16169
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Would both regions prefer to to be on their own or be united with Netherlands and France?


Or remain Belgian?

My impression is the Flemish don’t have much in common with the Dutch, other than language, and there’s not much interest on either side of the border for a merger.

There are pro-merger-with-France movements and (small) political parties on the Walloon side.

At any rate, what would you do with Brussels?

But there are Belgians here who can speak to this....
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Old October 26th, 2017, 09:21 PM   #16170
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Would both regions prefer to to be on their own or be united with Netherlands and France?
To be on their own. But we will never split, because in a sense, we allready have a long time ago.

The world thinks the Flemish would like to be with The Netherlands, but they don't. The world thinks the Walloons are basically French, but they aren't. We both are Belgians. We like our country, more or less, with all its defects. The Flemish may have voted for a seperatist party, but no-one takes that part serious. Flanders actually voted for a center right party as reaction to the Wallons ever enduring deep red choice and the mismanagement of the central government (then formed by elio di rupo of Parti Socialiste) with the immigration crisis...
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Old October 26th, 2017, 09:30 PM   #16171
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It was in the news recently that no two bordering countries with the same language are culturally so different as the Netherlands and Belgium/Flanders.

The 'Greater Netherlands' movement is really a niche nobody pays any attention to.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 09:36 PM   #16172
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How does Walloon work with the German minority in the East? Is signage in German and how does that work with the French mentality in the rest of Walloon?
Everything is in German and they have a certain autonomy form Wallonia and the rest of Belgium. Sankt-Vith is a nice region. The houses and villages look like in Germany.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 09:44 PM   #16173
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It was in the news recently that no two bordering countries with the same language are culturally so different as the Netherlands and Belgium/Flanders.

The 'Greater Netherlands' movement is really a niche nobody pays any attention to.
Just to start with. Belgians mostly live and die in the same village and city, if not a town closeby, as their parents did. The Dutch don't have this 'we stay under church tower mentality' at all.

Second: We like cars- a lot. Public transport is for wussies that don't want to spend 2 hours in horrifc trafic every day.

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I woudln't be surprised if Flanders place this on its borders soon

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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:29 PM   #16174
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International border crossings

Which brings us back to borders. But are those Vlaanderen and Wallonie speed-limit signs only at the linguistic border (and does Brussels have them too), or at the external borders as well? I mean, crossing from the Netherlands into Flanders, do you get a “België” speed-limit sign (with Flanders’ limits) or a “Vlaanderen” one?
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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:33 PM   #16175
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Check out Streetview
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I actually know a Belgian who moved around a few times, from Antwerp to Delft to Rotterdam...
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Flanders changed its standard speed limit outside built up area from 90 to 70. In reality nearly everywhere 90 was reduced to 70 by plates. Now they've removed all plates since the standard is 70. This makes the Belgian border speed limit plates useless. They are incorrect. So new plates will be placed and should as well be placed in Wallonia.

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I actually know a Belgian who moved around a few times, from Antwerp to Delft to Rotterdam...
Those immages are old. They have only started changing plates this year.
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Border speed limit plate placed in Maasmechelen earlier this year on the border with The Netherlands.

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Old October 27th, 2017, 01:35 AM   #16178
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It was in the news recently that no two bordering countries with the same language are culturally so different as the Netherlands and Belgium/Flanders.

The 'Greater Netherlands' movement is really a niche nobody pays any attention to.
You can blame Napoleon for that.
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Belgium is a particular case, because, unlikely most multi-ethnic countries (Spain, Switzerland, Russia, Canada,...), it has not a dominant ethnicity (Spanish, German, Russian, English), but it's an union of two widely-autonomous entities with their own strong identity, both more or less of the same size. The closest similar case in Europe is BiH.
Canada in some ways is similar with the francophone and anglophone population, with the added complex of francophone concentration (but not exclusivity) in the province of Quebec. It gives much political stupidity similar to Belgium

What I like greatly about Belgium is the government is, particularly politically, inept, useless and just argues between themselves. This has prevented them from accomplishing much - including in the way of damage to the country. And so Belgians themselves, are generally rather wealthy and live well by a global or indeed Western standard.

In comparison, NL has a much more effective political system. And gasoline is 1.50 EUR there. So to hell with that
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I saw very interesting thing between Croatia and BiH in the city of Novi Grad in BiH.

There is a bridge over the river that cross the border and just down the river on the Bosnian side there is a beach and people usually swim there. But the border run just off the shore

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