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Old October 30th, 2017, 09:58 AM   #16221
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Yes, but those are recognized countries.

and Andorran teams play in Spanish leagues.

Should have to check but I think only one out of their football teams plays in Spanish league... they make in a sort of "fifth league", one where 20 Western Catalonian teams play (there is a system to make weak leagues not to have long distance because their budget is tiny).

They have their own major (and second) football league. Winner will play European Champions' league (starting in the first leg). Last July, Andorran champions started against an Armenian team, lost 1-0 and later 1-1 in home, thus fired
Source (Santa Coloma team) http://es.uefa.com/uefachampionsleag...l#rd/2000877/1

And for international issues... just a logistic question... how to go from Andorra to Faroe Islands and conversely?. Because they had to play in the same group for world cup classification (they tied one match and was the first official point after 12 years, and later they won, and I think it was the first official match won in history)


But for basketball... Andorra has a very good basketball team with some of well known players. They play in the major Spanish league and every weekend, even Andorran team has to cross border, even a Spanish team has to reach Andorra. The only fact is there aren't Andorran referees.

Due to their position in league last year they are playing Eurocup basketball this year as Spanish representant (it is funny: Gran Canaria, Bilbao and Andorra.... for logistic reasons... I would prefer to go to play against Bilbao by far!!!)
Source http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eur...petition/teams


But in anyway... by law, in Spain only Andorran teams are approved to play as foreing teams (once a Gibraltar team played with Andalusian teams... but they played always in a small stadium in Spain, they crossed border every weekend and booked with an address located in the boundary town, thus legal) and they have to belong to a regional federation (Andorran teams belongs to Catalan federation)

Should Catalonia wouldn't be a regional federation, teams couldn't play in Spanish leagues


I guess that a lot of international niceties will find if searching.

For instance, I remember some years ago when there was a strike at the beginning of league and disolved later. It was late August and impossible to find airline tickets so soon because barely overbooking. There was only second division matches, some of them between near cities ones but two of them, corner to corner (matches agains island teams were cancelled, I think). One Andalusian match had to go to Galicia and went through Portugal. Some km and inside Portugal in the south... and all north until crossing again border. A long journey by bus, but it was the shortest route.
Once Ceuta and Melilla had to play cup. I do not know it they were by bus crossing Morocco or taking an airplane, bus, ferry...
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Old October 30th, 2017, 01:18 PM   #16222
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In the following weeks - you are right, but I would be really careful with saying never. It really depends on the course of events. And on the people of Catalonia. In my opinion, their fight for independence is quite stupid, but after what Spain recently did to them, it's not unlikely... If they will be determined, they will become independent and recognized by majority of countries and Spain won't be able to stop that.

Just now, there is no real independence of Catalonia, as Spain is still controlling its area.
I am not a prophet, so I don't know what will happen in 5, 10 or 20 years. And the slogan "never say never" is true, I agree.
But at the moment, and in the following weeks, which is more important for us in this thread than the distant future, such a thing as an independent Catalonian state does not exist and will not exist.
So Catalonia will not take over the border posts to Andorra and France and will not install new posts to the (actually non-existing) border to Spain (and Spain has borders to Andorra).

What you or other forum members think about the situation politically, does simply nothing to do with this thread. Period.
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Old November 1st, 2017, 12:26 PM   #16223
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Speaking of Northern Cyprus, it seems far more open to cross-border traffic now than it used to be. When I visited Cyprus in the early 90s, it was a big no-no to go across the border!
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Old November 1st, 2017, 12:44 PM   #16224
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Speaking of Northern Cyprus, it seems far more open to cross-border traffic now than it used to be. When I visited Cyprus in the early 90s, it was a big no-no to go across the border!
I don't know about the current state, but Slovak soldiers used to help to protect that border. The ones who had been sent off to Cyprus were always envied and looked down on at the same time, because others used to called their mission "the Mission Vacation" IMHO they were right comparing it to Afghanistan or Iraq.
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I don't know about the current state, but Slovak soldiers used to help to protect that border. The ones who had been sent off to Cyprus were always envied and looked down on at the same time, because others used to called their mission "the Mission Vacation" IMHO they were right comparing it to Afghanistan or Iraq.
Does Slovakia recognize Northern Cyprus? I know you are the one of europe that don' t recognize Kosovo...

I don't want to go off topic here really. But these border issues are very interesting when you compare them to some of the secessionist territories.
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Old November 1st, 2017, 07:44 PM   #16226
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Does Slovakia recognize Northern Cyprus? I know you are the one of europe that don' t recognize Kosovo...

I don't want to go off topic here really. But these border issues are very interesting when you compare them to some of the secessionist territories.
Northern Cyprus has been recognized only by Turkey so far.

Slovakia is surely not the only country in Europe to have refused to recognize Kosovo. From the EU there are also Spain, Romania and Greece. Out of the EU Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Serbia, BiH. But fun fact: we recognize their documents (IDs, driver licences, passports).
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Slovakia is surely not the only country in Europe to have refused to recognize Kosovo. From the EU there are also Spain, Romania and Greece. Out of the EU Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Serbia, BiH. But fun fact: we recognize their documents (IDs, driver licences, passports).
Yes I meant one of those who dont recognize them. And we have been talking on this thread about the documents you mentioned, the thing is probably if you refuse to recognize them then they cant enter your country it mean they must be refused. Which is really ugly thing at the end. Or maybe not?
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Northern Cyprus has been recognized only by Turkey so far.

Slovakia is surely not the only country in Europe to have refused to recognize Kosovo. From the EU there are also Spain, Romania and Greece. Out of the EU Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Serbia, BiH. But fun fact: we recognize their documents (IDs, driver licences, passports).
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Old November 1st, 2017, 09:07 PM   #16229
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Those countries who generally have domestic separatist issues (like Spain's case with Catalonia) tend not to recognize another 'independent' territories becoming countries even in some cases we have seen the case with South Sudan as it's legal member of UN.
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Old November 1st, 2017, 10:26 PM   #16230
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So, basically, it's just the US and its various client states - occupied (Korea, Japan, Germany, Afghanistan, Panama, etc.) or otherwise - that have recognized Kosovo
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Old November 1st, 2017, 10:37 PM   #16231
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Not as simple as the Mr Crazy..... about 52% of all UN states have recognised Kosovo plus its independance did not break international laws as decided by the ICJ.
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Where are the borderlines drawn between Vojvodina and serbia ? I am just interested to know how it would look if they seceded.
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Old November 2nd, 2017, 01:45 AM   #16233
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Speaking of Northern Cyprus, it seems far more open to cross-border traffic now than it used to be. When I visited Cyprus in the early 90s, it was a big no-no to go across the border!
Did you spotted the old plane "in the middle of no country"?



Read it was in the UN buffer airport

https://www.google.es/maps/@35.15664...!3m1!1e3?hl=es

but seems removed
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Where are the borderlines drawn between Vojvodina and serbia ? I am just interested to know how it would look if they seceded.
Vojvodina has majority Serb population so take in mind that it is impossible for a such scenario to happen.

But what is close to this thread is that Vojvodina actually has its own borders. Since Tito's era it is autonomous province on its own and has its own parliament, flag and emblems.
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I get it but where is it if lines had to be drawn? Its pretty much nothern part down to novi sad right. Are road names and documents issued in Hungarian as well ?
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I can't tell you about the languages, but about the border its the same legal border as in SFRY actually the same since 1944 when Tito made it clear. I think the border run just north of Beograd and border Serbia's four neighbours. Two totally and two partially.
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Old November 2nd, 2017, 06:43 AM   #16237
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So, basically, it's just the US and its various client states - occupied (Korea, Japan, Germany, Afghanistan, Panama, etc.) or otherwise - that have recognized Kosovo


Germany’s occupied?
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Speaking of Northern Cyprus, it seems far more open to cross-border traffic now than it used to be. When I visited Cyprus in the early 90s, it was a big no-no to go across the border!
But it was probably possible to go from "southern Cyprus" to Northern Cyprus via Turkey, so it wasn't impossible. Now it's easy.
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I get it but where is it if lines had to be drawn? Its pretty much nothern part down to novi sad right. Are road names and documents issued in Hungarian as well ?
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Did you spotted the old plane "in the middle of no country"?



Read it was in the UN buffer airport

https://www.google.es/maps/@35.15664...!3m1!1e3?hl=es

but seems removed
I didn't go to the buffer zone, but yes this HS Trident was removed a few years ago from LCNC after the tail section collapsed I believe. There was also a Trident blown up by the invading forces I believe.

Some more recent info on the 5BDAB here: https://tfrnorthcyprus.wordpress.com...a-int-airport/
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