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Old November 22nd, 2017, 07:08 PM   #16301
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I will answer in the roadside rest area, as the bus topic has not much in common with the border crossings.
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 10:16 PM   #16302
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I'm old enough to remember Czechoslovak - Hungarian border crossing process. Personal control was not very strict. We (I'm a Hungarian citizen) did not need any visa to CS, and had a passport which was unlimited valid for travelling to five Eastern European communist countries (CS, GDR, PL, RO, BG).
However, since there was a heavy lack of goods in Czechoslovakia, custom controls were very strict, up to the middle of the 90's (i.e. in the first years of independent Slovak Republic as well). For example a Czechoslovak custom officer let my bag open and when he found a piece of Deli chocolate (it's very delicious, I buy a lot even nowadays when I'm in CZ or SK) he told me I was not allowed to take it out from Czechoslovakia. It was one single piece, 35g. I can't remember the price back then, nowadays it's about 30-35 cents.
OK, I ate it in front of him. It was allowed to eat it inside Czechoslovakia.
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 11:50 PM   #16303
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Was the border between the Hungarian People's Republic and ČSSR fortified and electrified?
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 11:52 PM   #16304
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The Czechoslovak/Czech/Slovak controls in the early 1990's were very much ridiculous. Later on, they calmed down a bit, but they could still be very annoying. They had a dreadful reputation among Polish travellers back then, because they would often fuss over traffic that was clearly in transit, even up until 2004.

I remember several incidents well, including one Czech Customs guy who wasn't happy because I filled my car up before reaching the border. I asked him what regulation prevented it, and the grumpy so-and-so went on a rant about how we were using their roads without paying for them, blah blah blah. This was in 2003, and he took it quite badly when I told him (after being told to go) that he only had a year left of moaning before retirement anyway.

Czech border police in comparison were always pleasant. After 2004, the lack of interest from Czech and Polish border police was remarkable. I remember one funny situation when crossing the border late at night at one small crossing, when the Czech guy was fast asleep and the Polish guy was barely awake - he just nodded his head without even bothering to look at my ID card.

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Was the border between the Hungarian People's Republic and ČSSR fortified and electrified?
No, no point. Guarded, yes, and possibly fenced (I don't know about those two, but PL/CS definitely was fenced in some areas), but there was no need to use lethal force on internal socialist borders.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 12:07 AM   #16305
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I'm old enough to remember Czechoslovak - Hungarian border crossing process. Personal control was not very strict. We (I'm a Hungarian citizen) did not need any visa to CS, and had a passport which was unlimited valid for travelling to five Eastern European communist countries (CS, GDR, PL, RO, BG).
However, since there was a heavy lack of goods in Czechoslovakia, custom controls were very strict, up to the middle of the 90's (i.e. in the first years of independent Slovak Republic as well). For example a Czechoslovak custom officer let my bag open and when he found a piece of Deli chocolate (it's very delicious, I buy a lot even nowadays when I'm in CZ or SK) he told me I was not allowed to take it out from Czechoslovakia. It was one single piece, 35g. I can't remember the price back then, nowadays it's about 30-35 cents.
OK, I ate it in front of him. It was allowed to eat it inside Czechoslovakia.
Good. If you want some Deli sticks, I have recently found some in Hungarian Tesco in Mosonmagyarovár
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 03:29 AM   #16306
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A linguistic question: why bloc and not block? What's the semantic difference and why so?

In all context I always see the spelling: block, except for the politics and the Eastern Bloc.
Bloc in English is used for a political bloc (voting bloc, etc) Block with "k" is like a block of wood or something
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 09:21 AM   #16307
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Was the border between the Hungarian People's Republic and ČSSR fortified and electrified?
No. The western half of it were the Danube and Ipoly/Ipel' rivers, the eastern half was guarded but not fenced.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 02:34 PM   #16308
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No. The western half of it were the Danube and Ipoly/Ipel' rivers, the eastern half was guarded but not fenced.
I guess you want to write Tisza not Danube...
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 02:41 PM   #16309
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The Czechoslovak/Czech/Slovak controls in the early 1990's were very much ridiculous. Later on, they calmed down a bit, but they could still be very annoying. They had a dreadful reputation among Polish travellers back then, because they would often fuss over traffic that was clearly in transit, even up until 2004.
It was early 1980's when I was traveling to Brno with one of my student colleagues to meet people at the technical university. We took a ferry from Helsinki to Gdańsk and then a train to Warsaw then to Přerov then to Brno. Entering Poland and Czechoslovakia was visa-free for Finnish Citizens. No problem at the PL-CS border. The Czechoslovakian frontier guards suddenly disappeared from our compartment, we looked each other and speculated what happens next. The frontier guards returned in 10 minutes, giving us entry forms written in Finnish.

During the return trip from Prague to Gdańsk there was an incident. The Polish frontier guards at the outward trip forgot to give us some very important exit coupon. Re-entering Poland was blocked, because our papers showed that were still were in Poland and nobody in Poland naturally cannot enter Poland. The frontier guards spoke Polish only, but the local people in the same sleeping car compartment translated. After some shouting in Polish, we were welcomed in Poland, with a number coupons and stamps.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 02:52 PM   #16310
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There's a sort of no-border. Several airports in the world are shared by two countries at least.

Here.... you go to Mulhouse. What do you want to do??? Going to France or Germany or going to Switzerland?



Road from Switzerland can be seen in google maps. No booths but no possibility to enter in France.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 03:03 PM   #16311
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I guess you want to write Tisza not Danube...
Tisza as CS-HU border? In a very short section near Záhony... I suppose you're so young that for you it was not clear: ČSSR means Československá socialistická republika, i.e. the former Czechoslovakia.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 03:34 PM   #16312
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There's a sort of no-border. Several airports in the world are shared by two countries at least.

Here.... you go to Mulhouse. What do you want to do??? Going to France or Germany or going to Switzerland?

Road from Switzerland can be seen in google maps. No booths but no possibility to enter in France.
The Euroairport is in France, and Mulhouse is too. Not a big problem to solve.

As Switzerland has joined the Schengen area, not a big problem anyway. The Schengen area is not about customs operations. Therefore, there are the Swiss sector and the Swiss access road to enable domestic travel.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 04:01 PM   #16313
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The Euroairport is in France, and Mulhouse is too. Not a big problem to solve.

As Switzerland has joined the Schengen area, not a big problem anyway. The Schengen area is not about customs operations. Therefore, there are the Swiss sector and the Swiss access road to enable domestic travel.
Yeah.... but project started only between France and Switzerland in 1930, when Basel was much greater than Mulhouse and had barely options to enlarge their airport.

A binational airport started making able to go through France without entering the rest of territory but only parking and service roads.

If you go there... you may decide prior to buy ticket, which side will you take for getting out because customs will be different.

This is, a Paris-Mulhouse flight is national and do not have issues on border. A Paris-Basel is international. Nowadays it doesn't have issues but it is ready to have them.


And... weird but fares to one or other side can be different despite it is same plane, same airport... This is, you buy XXX-Mulhouse-Basel with 0 minutes stopping at Basel and different fares if only XXX-Mulhouse.



It is not the unique case. Geneva has another one (conversely, airport in CH, road to France). San Diego-Tijuana is to be built international. Some USA-Canada airport exists... they are quite small but they are in the middle of border.

Gibraltar has barely traffic nowadays but it is ready (and have had before crisis) for flights from inner Spain and free transit if passenger is not going to go to Gibraltar. A new terminal was built and shared.


After them I guess nearest airport to a border but nothing binational is Irun

https://www.google.es/maps/place/Ir%....7888483?hl=es

Later Sant Martin

https://www.google.es/maps/place/Isl....0500809?hl=es

Brazil has some airports not far from border but in Iguazu there are two (AR and BR)
https://www.google.es/maps/@-25.6549...!3m1!1e3?hl=es

(Brazilian one is quite near to border)


and obviously, any big city close to a border will have it...

La Paz
https://www.google.es/maps/@-16.5199...!3m1!1e3?hl=es
(highest capital in the world)

Bratislava
https://www.google.es/maps/@48.14689...!3m1!1e3?hl=es


and so on....
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 05:14 PM   #16314
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Yeah.... but project started only between France and Switzerland in 1930, when Basel was much greater than Mulhouse and had barely options to enlarge their airport.

A binational airport started making able to go through France without entering the rest of territory but only parking and service roads.

If you go there... you may decide prior to buy ticket, which side will you take for getting out because customs will be different.

This is, a Paris-Mulhouse flight is national and do not have issues on border. A Paris-Basel is international. Nowadays it doesn't have issues but it is ready to have them.

And... weird but fares to one or other side can be different despite it is same plane, same airport... This is, you buy XXX-Mulhouse-Basel with 0 minutes stopping at Basel and different fares if only XXX-Mulhouse.
Yes, of course. I did not realize you were referring to the history.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 05:31 PM   #16315
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Tisza as CS-HU border? In a very short section near Záhony... I suppose you're so young that for you it was not clear: ČSSR means Československá socialistická republika, i.e. the former Czechoslovakia.
It means the former communist Czechoslovakia, since there is another, the first Czechoslovakia i.e. ČSR prior to the Soviets.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 07:53 PM   #16316
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Tisza as CS-HU border? In a very short section near Záhony... I suppose you're so young that for you it was not clear: ČSSR means Československá socialistická republika, i.e. the former Czechoslovakia.
Yes you have right I was thinking about CCCP...
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 11:35 PM   #16317
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This is, a Paris-Mulhouse flight is national and do not have issues on border. A Paris-Basel is international. Nowadays it doesn't have issues but it is ready to have them.
I had some spare time to have fun and to check if there is an option to buy a tickect from the Basel airport to the Mulhouse airport. No success on Google Flights, Amadeus nor Ebookers.

Then I tried to find an as ridiculous routing as possible between two airports close to each other. The engine was Amadeus. Vienna-Bratislava seems not to be possible, but Dresden-Prague was successful. The motorway route is about 150 km. The most expensive routing next Monday is provided by Swiss: Dresden-Düsseldorf-Zürich-Prague, EUR 2234.

The route Esbjerg-Hamburg (270 km) is somewhat more exciting: The price for the longest duration goes to SAS: Esbjerg-Aberdeen-Oslo-Hamburg 47+ hours, overnight stopovers in both Aberdeen and Oslo. The most expensive routing is provided by Air France: Esbjerg-Aberdeen-Paris-Hamburg, 45+ hours including two overnight stops, EUR 2261.

Copenhagen-Malmö (40 km): All options are routed via Stockholm, with duration 4-6 hours. The top price is for SAS, EUR 786.

Finally, Amsterdam-Rotterdam (75 km) is quite interesting. British Airways wons the prices for the highest price and the longest duration. The most expensive route is over London with a transfer from Heathrow to City Airport, EUR 503. The longest routes are via Gatwick or Luton, overnight stop, and transfer to London City, 14+ hours of travel time. However, the extra price for the funniest itinerary is given to AccessRail. The train connection spends 6:51 hours to get from Rotterdam Centraal to Rotterdam Centraal via Bruxelles National, calling twice at Antwerpen and Mechelen.

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Old November 24th, 2017, 12:12 AM   #16318
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Some years ago a guy showed that it was possible to book a low cost flight between a British city and Berlin, and then from Berlin to another British city, at a lower cost than a train between the two British cities.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old November 24th, 2017, 07:58 AM   #16319
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Crossing to San Diego through San Ysidro Port og Entry in Tijuana.

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This is the border between Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and South Cyprus in Nicosia (Lefkosa). It was summer 2007 I guess.

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