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Old November 27th, 2017, 03:14 PM   #16321
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Ahead are they customs?.

Is it easy or free to move between both sides?
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Old November 27th, 2017, 03:20 PM   #16322
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Have a glance to this borderstone

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.79579...2!8i6656?hl=es


Somport pass E-F

and... how it was in 1905



It is a mule coming from France, just entering Spain. As you can see in google, mountainscape is exactly the same in the card and in internet.

Only road under tiny custom booths existed.... unpaved and, btw, it is St.James Pilgrim lane!!!
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Old November 28th, 2017, 01:42 PM   #16323
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Ahead are they customs?.

Is it easy or free to move between both sides?
There are customs and passport controls between both sides.

Yes it is easy for most nationalities to pass freely. TRNC only stamp a piece of paper, not your passport.
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Old December 6th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #16324
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An interesting video about the Spain-Morocco border at Melilla:

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Old December 6th, 2017, 07:40 PM   #16325
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Yes it is easy for most nationalities to pass freely. TRNC only stamp a piece of paper, not your passport.
Because they dont recognize the Cypriot passport?
If so then the same happens between Macedonia and Greece. Greece does not recognize the country under the name issued in the passport and you have to provide a separate paper that is actually issued by the Greek authorities. It can be find in the embassy or at the borders.
Once you came to the check they will take the passport because they must check in the system the biometric data but they dont recognize it and do stamps in the separate paper. This paper you have to have it for all of your journeys.
Many people used to continue their journey from Greece without any knowledge because Greece has open borders to Europe.
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Old December 6th, 2017, 10:22 PM   #16326
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There are customs and passport controls between both sides.

Yes it is easy for most nationalities to pass freely. TRNC only stamp a piece of paper, not your passport.
They stamped my passport.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 01:54 AM   #16327
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Speaking of stamps, I wanted to share this interesting one:



It's quite interesting, because it shows how West Berlin clearly had a separate immigration system to West Germany.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 01:52 PM   #16328
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We can clearly see the DDR emblem on the lower right side.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 02:24 PM   #16329
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What makes this stamp particularly interesting is that it shows that West Berlin was conducting border controls with the DDR. There were no border controls (only customs controls, and never permanent) on the Western side of the inner-Berlin border.

A curious picture that shows that the West Berlin-East Berlin border was still being controlled as of April 1990, even at Potsdamer Platz. Can anyone tell who the officers are in this picture? Are they Western, Eastern, or both?

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Old December 9th, 2017, 05:48 PM   #16330
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Even if the wall fell on November 1989, the two Germanies continued to work as two separate countries until 1st July 1990 (on 3rd October West Germany de jure annexed East Germany).
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Old December 9th, 2017, 06:15 PM   #16331
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Yes. Border controls were abolished together with the introduction of the DM as official currency in the GDR - back when, for another 3 months, it was still a separate state.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 11:00 PM   #16332
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(on 3rd October West Germany de jure annexed East Germany)
... at which point West Germany began to be known as simply Germany. But the country we know today is technically still West Germany (as it is officially the Federal Republic of Germany).
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Old December 10th, 2017, 09:27 PM   #16333
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(on 3rd October West Germany de jure annexed East Germany).
No, on 3rd October 1990, der German Democratic Republic (East Germany) joined the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany).
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Old December 11th, 2017, 12:19 AM   #16334
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Even if the wall fell on November 1989, the two Germanies continued to work as two separate countries until 1st July 1990 (on 3rd October West Germany de jure annexed East Germany).
Yes, it's actually quite interesting how it unfolded. For instance, between the 1st July and 3rd October, East Germany applied East German rules at the external borders - not West German rules.

A good example is with Customs controls. They still existed on the inner-German border as far as monitoring goes, with non-DDR goods still having to be cleared into West Germany at the inner-German border while goods from East Germany were considered to be already in the EEC (as it was).
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Old December 11th, 2017, 12:24 AM   #16335
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China / Mongolia



Germany / Czech Republic



Brazil / Uruguay


Source: http://viagens.sapo.pt/viajar/viajar...u#&gid=1&pid=1
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Old December 11th, 2017, 12:48 AM   #16336
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When did they stop making controls in both sides of Germany?
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Old December 11th, 2017, 10:37 AM   #16337
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It was on 1 July 1990 when the international treaty on the economic, currency and social union of the two German states came into force (de-facto unification). The 3 October 1990 was the formal unification de-jure.

In German:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZhaRlIT3qI
April 1990. Still border controls but really relaxed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V267PZAo62Q
28 June 1990, three days before opening. Friedrichstraße border station for trains and metro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWfFKXfRQ1Q
29 June 1990, two days before opening. Some roads already prepared (new asphalt) for the opening of 1 July 1990. East German border police hardly visible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOMJzCGXTvU
Driving through Checkpoint Bravo (Berlin Dreilinden) and Checkpoint Alpha Marienborn/Helmstedt (East/West Germany) mid-July 1990 after border abandonment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLnid-Bmz_A
Dismantling wall and fences in October 1990


Something in English after 1 July 1990 (also contains scences from Checkpoint Charlie):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SokGI2dOx4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v49ezvyhbnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFiZ4ifHn6g
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Old December 11th, 2017, 11:12 AM   #16338
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and by the way, when Berlin underground operated in both sides at same time?
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Old December 11th, 2017, 11:51 AM   #16339
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As an interesting aside, in 1990 - you could (as a Polish citizen) go to the DDR visa free, and by extension, into West Berlin because of the lack of controls performed by West Berlin police on the inner-Berlin border. But even after the economic union on July 1st 1990, Polish citizens still needed a visa for West Germany despite the lack of physical border controls.

What made the situation even stranger was that in September 1990 while East Germany still existed, West German federal border guards took over the job of guarding the external DDR borders.

But going back to the time before the border controls ended - they were still quite strict on non-German citizens. For instance, if you were from the UK and went to West Berlin by air, then decided to cross the Berlin border illegally (there were plenty of unofficial crossing points that didn't have passport controls) - you would be in trouble if you tried to go to Poland without having a DDR entry stamp.

They stopped caring after the treaty on economic union was agreed in May 1990, but as the video from April 1990 shows, they were relaxed but still doing their job at that point.
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Old December 11th, 2017, 11:55 AM   #16340
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The Berlin metro system ("U-Bahn") always worked simultaneously during the cold-war era. There were even West Berlin metro trains running under East Berlin. But the East Berlin authorities sealed all those "West" train stations making them appear "ghost" stations to the West Berlin traveller. Ghost stations were only operated underground but access points such as stairs were properly closed. Friedrichstraße station in East Berlin had a special function. You were allowed to change between U-Bahn trains and S-Bahn trains without passport control as long as you went back to the west. If you wanted to continue to the East then you had to go through passport and customs control of East Germany. That was relatively easy for a Westerner with the right passport but almost impossible the other way for Easterners as there were not allowed to. Only old East German people 60 years or older were allowed to travel freely between East and West Germany or East and West Berlin.

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