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Old December 18th, 2017, 09:02 PM   #16381
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Cuba does not allow CUC to be exported, you have to convert it to USD or Euro before leaving Cuba. I don't know how this is enforced.

Are Moldovan Lei non convertible? I has loads of them and you can't even change them into Romanian Lei in Bucharest.

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Old December 18th, 2017, 09:03 PM   #16382
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Theoretically, you would always have been able to exchange 1 Ostmark for 1DM at the official rate, but in reality, people could only exchange a small amount into 'hard' currency. I seem to remember the limits were about 20USD or so a year.
In Hungary, the limit was 70 USD per year, and Hungarian travellers were only allowed to take these "regular" amounts with them out of Hungary.
Unlike GDR citizens, Hungarians could generally get a travel permit for the non-Socialist area once every three years (unless of course a "political risk", or other limiting factor applied, like young men soon to be enlisted for military service).
So that would make 210 USD to legally take with you if you actually went touring the West every three years. Not much (even when considering inflation of the last 3-4 decades), but Socialist state-determined wages were generally so low that many people could not even afford to buy this capped amount of Western cash. Others who could would also buy hard currency in the name of their grandma who would not travel, but had the same allowance to buy. Anxiety quickly rose at the border when taking unauthorized Western cash with you upon exit.

To preserve hard currency for unavoidable tourist expenses like petrol, entrances etc., you would bring everything else you could from home. It was common for Eastern Bloc tourists to live on canned food while outside their country. The tougher ones took tents with them for lodging. On the other side, the state travel bureau in Hungary also offered complete tour packages (travel, hotel, entrances etc) for Western destinations that could be paid in Forints at home.

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I seem to remember that one thing that Yugoslavia did that was very Eastern was demanding that foreign motorists only pay in DEM, not YUD.
In 1989, coming from Hungary you could still pay in Dinars, but after running out of Dinar cash, of course you had to resort to DEM. So at the end the idea still was to earn some Western cash.
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Old December 19th, 2017, 12:32 AM   #16383
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So that would make 210 USD to legally take with you if you actually went touring the West every three years. Not much (even when considering inflation of the last 3-4 decades), but Socialist state-determined wages were generally so low that many people could not even afford to buy this capped amount of Western cash.
Well, they weren't low for the local standards. They were such that you could afford a normal level of living (in e.g. Poland, not in e.g. West Germany). You just couldn't buy western goods for them.

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Old December 20th, 2017, 10:55 PM   #16384
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Not road but.... border crossing

Took from an official tourist social account



Five cabins for trekkers in the Pyrenees. Right one is close to Somport pass (E-07 RN134 / N-330a)
Left one is near Navarra but inside Aragon (near Anso).

They offer to do an international tour five days walking around Pyrenees in Spain and France

By the way, they point Estanes lake. It is almost boundaried

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.80264...!3m1!1e3?hl=es

I would say that northen side is more close to border. I remember being there and French signals just besides lake. I guess it was the only point I knew where border was. When climbing a pass, border was in the middle of path and no signals. I knew had crossed border because I met to a path junction and map said had crossed...
Besides lake... French signals 25 metres ahead of lake = border, isn't it?
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Old December 28th, 2017, 01:09 PM   #16385
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Crossing the border between Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia and back without any control:



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According to BIH border police web site this should be Ustibar-Vagan crossing.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 02:16 PM   #16386
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I don't want to bring politics in here but dude..... Let's see the facts here:



First of all the border between Serbia and BiH is not fully determined.

The most important fact is that according to Serbia the border is still disputed, specially over some areas at Drina river specially two hydroelectric power station at Drina, and of which the river itself is the most part of the whole border.

Now to be precise for everyone here, Serbia actually borders one entity in BiH, since BiH according to Dayton has two separate entities one of which is the Serb enclave of BiH.

I wonder why is this that you posted strange, because Serbia actually borders the entity of RS but not the Federation.
To be even more precise, although the border control is of mixed etnicity and is regulated by Sarajevo, lets be honest there is no real border between these two countries.

According to another article Serbia claims many land and disputes around 40 km of border which actually is part of RS
http://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/politik...a-srbija-trazi

And here you have the exact claim on the Bosnian article from their position.
http://ba.n1info.com/a224635/Vijesti...-i-Srbije.html

Now my opinion is of course that Serbia wants to slow donw BiH politically and insists that as usual Serbs in BiH should listen Belgrade.
Nothing new in the Balkans except that there will be no complete determination to resolve this issue.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 04:14 PM   #16387
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Another paved crossing near Ljutina. Cars cross here without stopping from RS to Srbija

https://www.google.rs/maps/place/43%....4295241?hl=sr
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Old December 28th, 2017, 05:48 PM   #16388
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to get the whole picture it is the part of the road that connects two parts of Bosnian territory through Serbia, not even connected to Serbian road network.
https://www.google.at/maps/place/%D0....3702897?dcr=0
So calm down with the political BS here.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 05:57 PM   #16389
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Another paved crossing near Ljutina. Cars cross here without stopping from RS to Srbija

https://www.google.rs/maps/place/43%....4295241?hl=sr
google map is not precise there. Sastavci is Bosnian exclave in Serbia, it is not possible to enter Sastavci directly from Bosnia. Here is the precise map.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/43.5545/19.4298
Inform yourself before writing nonsense.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 06:12 PM   #16390
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to get the whole picture it is the part of the road that connects two parts of Bosnian territory through Serbia, not even connected to Serbian road network.
https://www.google.at/maps/place/%D0....3702897?dcr=0
So calm down with the political BS here.
Lets debate you tell me for Bosnia I will tell you what I know and I know much about Balkan situation.

But lets not be fools.
After Rudo (Republika Srpska) you enter Srbija and then again enter RS.

One thing is true this is mountanious terrain and you cannot 'escape'. But it is illegal entry. Nevermind.

But let's see now these situations:

Near Međurečje paved road into Srbija without control

https://www.google.rs/maps/place/43%....4254934?hl=sr

I will tell you what I think during the war Srbija used this to transport goods for their forces. Those are roads from SFRY times, they never installed border there.

In Sarajevo no one cares because this is entity RS and Serbia shows muscles to BiH but they even dont consider their own borders as true.

EDIT: to your second reply:
Sastavci you enter from Serbia and you exit Sastavci from Serbia so it is not controlled. I will show you at least 10 examples of theses other crossings.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 07:22 PM   #16391
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Why doesn't anybody in the Balkans notice that such disputes are bad for the development of the country and for the economy?

Can't you just establish some compromise instead of continuing the disputes?

You are saying you are in Europe and you want to be considered European countries but you quarrel like, I don't know, some African former colonies or like countries of the Middle East.

This is not European level.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 08:32 PM   #16392
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what are you writing about? There are no border disputes in a sense that it is not known where the border is, the only thing that the working bodies from both countries are trying to find solutions to correct the borders to be more logical. Just ignore what Junkie is writing.
Poland still bothers with 2nd World War and Russia 70 years after, that's even less European.
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But let's see now these situations:

Near Međurečje paved road into Srbija without control

https://www.google.rs/maps/place/43%....4254934?hl=sr
Exclave! What don´t you understand? From there you can not enter Bosnia again, without crossing border crossing.
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Because you all (ok, at least Junkie) started writing about some border disputes between Serbia and Bosnia&Herzegovina:
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First of all the border between Serbia and BiH is not fully determined.

The most important fact is that according to Serbia the border is still disputed
And the same Junkie underlines the Europeanness of the Balkans in his signature

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Old December 28th, 2017, 09:01 PM   #16394
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Junkie's posts are all about politics. He likes that.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 10:40 PM   #16395
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what are you writing about? There are no border disputes in a sense that it is not known where the border is, the only thing that the working bodies from both countries are trying to find solutions to correct the borders to be more logical. Just ignore what Junkie is writing.
Poland still bothers with 2nd World War and Russia 70 years after, that's even less European.

Exclave! What don´t you understand? From there you can not enter Bosnia again, without crossing border crossing.
Do you even understand the international rule as how borders are protected and how traffic is passing from one to another sovereign country? From Međurečje you go to Serbia without any checks no matter that you continue to Sastavici which is surrounded by Serbian territory.
From Sastavici you again enter back Serbian territory without checks and in theory you might go to Novi Sad without any legitimation.
This is only one example of many I might post here and they all date back to the war time where there was no legal border and everything was passing.
You understand this difference?

And also don't lie others here. Serbia disputes the border. Some points plus land plus like 50 km's are disputed. Its a dispute, but first of all political because as we can see aims not only towards the Bosnian Serbs to have free access in Serbia without control but is more of a status quo about RS entity.

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Because you all (ok, at least Junkie) started writing about some border disputes between Serbia and Bosnia&Herzegovina:


And the same Junkie underlines the Europeanness of the Balkans in his signature
I underline nothing. What i simply say is that this region has or at least should have perspective in the same union your country is. These countries have no rights in Europe. You see the difference? It will not happen tomorrow because these countries are not ready it will happen for decades to come.
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Do you even understand the international rule as how borders are protected and how traffic is passing from one to another sovereign country? From Međurečje you go to Serbia without any checks no matter that you continue to Sastavici which is surrounded by Serbian territory.
From Sastavici you again enter back Serbian territory without checks and in theory you might go to Novi Sad without any legitimation.
This is only one example of many I might post here and they all date back to the war time where there was no legal border and everything was passing.
You understand this difference?
Can you please explain me what is the problem with that? You have 150 people living in this small village that belongs to Bosnia, which is surrounded by Serbian territory,some 80 percent if not more of them have Serbian citizenship, they can enter Serbia off course, however they can not enter Bosnia without checks.
I don't understand what you are implying that this is just one of many examples. Examples of what? And what war has to do with this?
You are just babbling.
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And also don't lie others here. Serbia disputes the border. Some points plus land plus like 50 km's are disputed. Its a dispute, but first of all political because as we can see aims not only towards the Bosnian Serbs to have free access in Serbia without control but is more of a status quo about RS entity.
What are you babbling about again? Where are the disputes? What 50 kms are disputed? There is no dispute in a sense that the both sides are claiming the same territory, there is only dispute in how to correct the border to make it more logical. Such as this road showed in the previous video, or enclave Sastavci. Because all roads lead through Bosnian exclave and Serbian Municipality Priboj is connected only with roads leading through Bosnia. Second "dispute" is railway Belgrade-Bar that goes through Bosnia in a length 12km.
So there is bilateral commission trying to solve this issue by exchange of territory.
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to get the whole picture it is the part of the road that connects two parts of Bosnian territory through Serbia, not even connected to Serbian road network.
https://www.google.at/maps/place/%D0....3702897?dcr=0
So calm down with the political BS here.
Interesting, another extraterritorial road in Europe I wasn't aware of.

The usual Balkan flamewar ISN'T interesting AT ALL, though.
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Everything that he said is wrong and oriented for Serbia. First of all no matter if the connection is extraterritorial or not it should have bordering control booths. It doesn't. These are Balkan style examples since many connections date from SFRY when there was no physical border.
And there are many 'connections' like these. 23 years after the war there is still no border.

It is a serious issue since the road is paved and its accessible to both countries networks and what is more funny is that the Bosnian Serbs proofed this in the video clip we saw here.
And even more funnier is the exclave of Sastavci since it's inhabitants are mostly Bosnian Serbs from the Serb enclave of BiH, surrounded by Serbian territory.

And about the dispute, Serbia is actually disputing very serious two power plants on Drina, not just territories.
From my knowledge so far BiH will not agree with territory 'exchange'.

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it shouldn't have control booths if it doesn't represents any security threat and it would just make villagers life more miserable than it is now.

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And there are many 'connections' like these. 23 years after the war there is still no border.
Where?

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It is a serious issue since the road is paved and its accessible to both countries networks and what is more funny is that the Bosnian Serbs proofed this in the video clip we saw here.
You still didn't figure it out that this road is connected only to Bosnian road network and it crosses the border few times in few kilometers.
Also there is agreement between Serbia and BiH because of the uniqueness of the border line in this area which regulates this issue and determines procedure of the border control. Meaning that the control is done on the locations where the passenger definitely exit Bosnia i.e. Serbia.
Here is the txt about it from Sarajevo based newspaper. (google translated)

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url
I emphasise again how ignorant you are, and stop writing about things you have no clue.

And how do you know this guy from video is a Serb? He is member of Parliament from the majority Bosniak party from Sarajevo.
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It doesn't! It is determined that power plants are in both countries, no body dispute that. Stop writing BS.

As of the link you posted, did you EVEN bother to read what you post?
I will quote just one part:
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"After four kilometres of drive through Serbia, you are returning to Bosnia and Herzegovina, and from that specific road you can not divert enywhere, there you are where you are. Only the border police of Serbia occasionally stop cars, control the transport, transport goods and passengers. there is no official checkpoint, "Rajak said.
there is more link for you to read it can be interesting reading:
https://www.rtvbn.com/3878463/medjur...klava-u-srbiji
https://www.slobodnaevropa.org/a/od-.../25284123.html

Please don't embarrass yourself, educate yourself.
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Everything that he said is wrong and oriented for Serbia. First of all no matter if the connection is extraterritorial or not it should have bordering control booths. It doesn't. These are Balkan style examples since many connections date from SFRY when there was no physical border.
And there are many 'connections' like these. 23 years after the war there is still no border.[/url]
It should have booths like there were none between German exclave in Switzerland? Or like Italian Campione in Switzerland? You just always try to find something to politicize about.
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