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Old January 9th, 2018, 01:04 PM   #16441
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i was controlled by austrians on the way from rajka (HUN) to deutsch jahrndorf (AUT) on sunday. we went to see border corner of three countries (SVK-AUT-HUN) and they stopped us in the middle of nowhere))) also, in december they had random checks in petrzalka (SVK) - berg (AUT) border crossing.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 11:56 PM   #16442
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I drove back home from Hungary to Switzerland on december 29. It was a very quiet drive, almost any trucks and very little traffic over all.
I lost three minutes at Hegyeshalom, five minutes at Passau/Suben and then twenty (!) minutes at Au when entering Switzerland. It was around 9 PM and the officer had plenty of time...
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Old January 10th, 2018, 12:13 AM   #16443
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Yesterday, a Google Maps mistake almost created a dipolomatic crisis between Italy and Slovenia.
Six Italians from Trieste, including a 9-months baby, have been detained for few hours by Slovenian police for illegal border crossing. They went to eat in a restaurant in the Croatian village of Zrenj, and then they set the GPS to go back to Trieste. The GPS led them through a gravel road that crossed a closed HR-SLO border crossing. They managed to cross it because the gate was open but were arrested by the Slovenian police on the other side. They were released after a 2,000€ fine and the driver's license has been revoked. Now the Italian consulate in Slovenia is dealing with that issue, but aparently the police acted according to the law.

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Old January 10th, 2018, 12:34 AM   #16444
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Yesterday, a Google Maps mistake almost created a dipolomatic crisis between Italy and Slovenia.
Six Italians from Trieste, including a 9-months baby, have been detained for few hours by Slovenian police for illegal border crossing. They went to eat in a restaurant in the Croatian village of Zrenj, and then they set the GPS to go back to Trieste. The GPS led them through a gravel road that crossed a closed HR-SLO border crossing. They managed to cross it because the gate was open but were arrested by the Slovenian police on the other side. They were released after a 2,000€ fine and the driver's license has been revoked. Now the Italian consulate in Slovenia is dealing with that issue, but aparently the police acted according to the law.
http://ilpiccolo.gelocal.it/trieste/...9878?ref=fbfpi
Yes, slovenia police is very strick about that. I think fine is around 500 euros for crossing border outside border check points. And i think around 250 eur if u dont have your documents.
And in the moment the border is controlled more then usual, because of the migrations.
Last year (between january and november) they did catch 2000 people crossing border with croatia, thats 100% more like in 2016.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 12:44 AM   #16445
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Yes, slovenia police is very strick about that. I think fine is around 500 euros for crossing border outside border check points. And i think around 250 eur if u dont have your documents.
And in the moment the border is controlled more then usual, because of the migrations.
Last year (between january and november) they did catch 2000 people crossing border with croatia, thats 100% more like in 2016.
Yes, 500€ x 4 people = 2000€. The other two were in another car that hadn't cross yet.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 12:54 AM   #16446
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Croatia is so angry about the Slovenian hassles of Savudrija, and because Slovenia has no arguments to tackle the truth that this is Croatian territory it creates additional tensions in that region.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 12:59 AM   #16447
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Please not again... I don't want this thread to be shut down again...

(I think that currently the migrant crisis is a bigger issue there than that silly territorial dispute).
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Old January 10th, 2018, 10:36 AM   #16448
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I don't understand. Isn't Croatia in Schengen? You should be able to cross wherever you like...
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Old January 10th, 2018, 10:39 AM   #16449
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I don't understand. Isn't Croatia in Schengen? You should be able to cross wherever you like...
Nope, Croatia is not in the Schengen area. Though I think this is kind of bullying despite being in line with law.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 10:39 AM   #16450
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I drove back home from Hungary to Switzerland on december 29. It was a very quiet drive, almost any trucks and very little traffic over all.
I lost three minutes at Hegyeshalom, five minutes at Passau/Suben and then twenty (!) minutes at Au when entering Switzerland. It was around 9 PM and the officer had plenty of time...
I spent my holidays in Germany so I had to cross Switzerland 2 times. I was never stopped, the crossing at Schaffhausen was completely deserted... in Basel also we crossed quickly, but in the other direction (towards Switzerland) there was a long queue.
In Chiasso we were not stopped in either direction, but the traffic was so thick we queued nonetheless...
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Old January 10th, 2018, 10:40 AM   #16451
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Nope, Croatia is not in the Schengen area.
Ah, that explains. I used to be more informed about UE issues...
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Old January 10th, 2018, 01:12 PM   #16452
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Croatia is not in Schengen yet, it's a Schengen candidate. It joined the Schengen Information System in 2017. A full Schengen membership is currently postponed due to the migrant crisis and the lax border enforcement especially with BiH.

Some gates at the border with Slovenia are left open to local farmers who own lands in both sides and have a written permission to cross at these points, but using those unguarded border crossings is forbidden to anyone else. Similar arangements for farmers existed also on the border between Italy and Yugoslavia (and later Slovenia, until it joined Schengen).
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Old January 10th, 2018, 01:18 PM   #16453
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Nope, Croatia is not in the Schengen area. Though I think this is kind of bullying despite being in line with law.
Ok, it may sound bulling, but imagine being a policeman patrolling the border in a forest in the middle of the night and you see two cars in a place where they aren't supposed to be and you expect the worst (on the outer Schengen border illegal migrants, drug and human traffikers are daily matter). Its normal to become defensive, and put your hand close to your gun 'just in case'.
However they should phisically close off border crossings that are illegal to use (and maybe give keys to authorized people).
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Old January 10th, 2018, 01:44 PM   #16454
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Please not again... I don't want this thread to be shut down again...

(I think that currently the migrant crisis is a bigger issue there than that silly territorial dispute).
First of all you post about some 'Italian family' that crossed on unmarked checkpoint so this is not for this thread.
Second what has the 'migrant crisis' are you even talking about? I am living where migrants literally passed in front of me. The crisis is over.

And third Slovenia decided to block Croatia joining any unions because of that dispute, so its not just a small thing. Very 'European'.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 02:13 PM   #16455
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Ok, it may sound bulling, but imagine being a policeman patrolling the border in a forest in the middle of the night and you see two cars in a place where they aren't supposed to be and you expect the worst (on the outer Schengen border illegal migrants, drug and human traffikers are daily matter). Its normal to become defensive, and put your hand close to your gun 'just in case'.
However they should phisically close off border crossings that are illegal to use (and maybe give keys to authorized people).
Exactly. We may not see it, but the police encounter traffickers crossing the border illegally on a regular basis and if they see two foreign cars crossing the border in the forest in the middle of the night, it's understandable they will be very cautious.
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Sorry for not being exact. IMHO, guarding a border line is not bullying. Capture the trespassers is not either.

But once the police find out the consequences, they should be given some symbolic fine, not 1.000 €. It is way too much for EU citizens.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 03:53 PM   #16457
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Sorry for not being exact. IMHO, guarding a border line is not bullying. Capture the trespassers is not either.

But once the police find out the consequences, they should be given some symbolic fine, not 1.000 €. It is way too much for EU citizens.
Goverments typically follow a strict policy to illegal border crossing. The default fine for someone travelling from Helsinki to Tallinn without proper travel documents, is about 750 euros for an average-income citizen.

If someone tries to cross the Finnish-Russian border on the Finnish side, a substantial loss of money and time can be expected. It implies "managed" travelling to the police station, and interesting discussions with the police officers. If the same happens on the Russian side, best to call to the boss and apply for a two-months holiday.

Last summer, two German morons walked from Finland to Russia for six minutes. They were quite upset when the Finnish police arrested them next day, kept them two hours in a cell and transported them 150 kilometers to Imatra for the interview, which lasted for a whole day. They criticized the process "because on the Russian side, a 300 euro bribe to the frontier guards would have solved the case". The morons said to the local newspaper that they will sue Finland for bad treating of German citizens, but nothing has heard afterwards.
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Some countries have long land borders like Finland and Russia? So I guess its VERY easy just to pass it illegally considering its unguarded length. But we must distinct here between illegal immigration and refugees from the Middle East and curiosity 'to see' the other side with your identification documents.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 04:19 PM   #16460
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Some countries have long land borders like Finland and Russia? So I guess its VERY easy just to pass it illegally considering its unguarded length.
The Finnish-Russian border is 1340 kilometers in length, and no millimeter of it is unguarded.

There is no fence preventing from entering the border, but about everyone tampering the border will be seen and arrested.

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