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Old January 13th, 2014, 04:28 PM   #181
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I never noticed it, because the E30 was always drawn through Brest on maps.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 01:36 PM   #182
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Second ring highway. "Two months ago only did a marking, was nothing. And now …", - Sergey Druy is surprised. Photo: Dmitry Brushko. TUT.BY
To read completely: http://news.tut.by/society/397362.html
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 02:41 PM   #183
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What is a "highway"? Is it Motorway-like or expressway-like? Will it feature 2 carriageways (2x2 lanes), grade-separated and access-controlled?
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 02:49 PM   #184
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where could one find pricelist of tolls in BY?
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 03:08 PM   #185
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Probably here: https://www.beltoll.by/
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Old May 28th, 2014, 09:25 PM   #186
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The new bypass of Minsk is indeed under construction, it is visible in April 2014 imagery on Google Earth. It's approximately 10 kilometers north of the MKAD.

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Old August 11th, 2014, 03:03 AM   #187
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I took a few photos while driving around Minsk last month. I'm unable to identify which particular photo represents which particular location but we drove from Minsk to Mir and Niasviž along P1 and M1. Overall driving experience and road quality was good.









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Note English writing of 'Moscow' on the sign


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Old August 11th, 2014, 03:53 PM   #188
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Belarus probably has the best roads in the former Soviet Union. Quite a number of motorways and four-lane highways and quality seems decent to good.
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Old August 11th, 2014, 05:39 PM   #189
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Belarus probably has the best roads in the former Soviet Union. Quite a number of motorways and four-lane highways and quality seems decent to good.
Overall road standards and quality are good to satisfactory. Not quite as good as in neighboring Lithuania but certainly better than Latvia. Overall things seem to be adequate while Minsk has a truly world class road infrastructure which really stands out in the region.
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Old August 11th, 2014, 09:40 PM   #190
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Belarus probably has the best roads in the former Soviet Union. Quite a number of motorways and four-lane highways and quality seems decent to good.
I don't like the tolling system they've chosen for cars though - BelToll has gone with OBU's for all, whereas a vignette would make far more sense.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 11:05 AM   #191
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Overall road standards and quality are good to satisfactory. Not quite as good as in neighboring Lithuania
I soo knew this comment could arise from you, but that's your opinion. Most drivers who been to both countries would disagree.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 12:16 PM   #192
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Belarussians roads are better than Lithuanian one's, I've driven in both countries, main roads and side roads. But then again, it's my personal opinion.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 03:54 PM   #193
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Belarussians roads are better than Lithuanian one's, I've driven in both countries, main roads and side roads. But then again, it's my personal opinion.
Perhaps I've got a wrong impression then. I drove around 400km in Belarus mostly around Minsk. Might be that roads are better in other regions.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 04:02 PM   #194
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I saw in your photo thread that you took a train into BY and rent a car there. Is bringing an EU-registered car into BY a huge hassle? Vinlius-Minsk doesn't seem a long distance to drive...
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 04:23 PM   #195
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I soo knew this comment could arise from you, but that's your opinion. Most drivers who been to both countries would disagree.
I have driven in both Belarus and Latvia and I find it hard to compare roads in both countries due to different population distribution. Latvia doesn't really need good roads outside of Riga and, possibly, Via Baltica. Other roads are mostly transit roads and have low-ish AADT. The fact that Latvia doesn't need them, however, doesn't change the fact that Belarus has lots of motorways and Latvia doesn't. If you were to drive across both countries east to west and north to south, your experience in Belarus would be much better, no doubt about that one. Belarussian national road network is much more adequate than the Latvian one.

Regarding Lithuania - Lithuania builds roads to better standard than Belarus, but Belarussian road network is probably more adequate at this stage. Lithuania doesn't lag behind Belarus much though, and the Lithuanian national road network is practically complete if you don't include Via Baltica (which is an embarrassment, I admit). Via Baltica is now a project of national importance though, and once it is built, Lithuanian national road network will not only be able to compete with it's neighbouring countries in terms of road adequacy, but with anyone in the world! Roads in cities and around them (ringroads, etc.) is a completely different story though. Minsk leads the way easily there.
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I saw in your photo thread that you took a train into BY and rent a car there. Is bringing an EU-registered car into BY a huge hassle? Vinlius-Minsk doesn't seem a long distance to drive...
It's not really that much trouble if you own a car, but insurance can be. I've got a Green Card valid for all the signatory countries, but my fully comprehensive insurance is third-party only in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.

From a border point of view, it's really no problem as long as you own the car.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 11:22 PM   #197
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It's not really that much trouble if you own a car, but insurance can be. I've got a Green Card valid for all the signatory countries, but my fully comprehensive insurance is third-party only in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.

From a border point of view, it's really no problem as long as you own the car.
When I was getting my visa a month ago, the agency told me that people that drive there often get stuck for 5-6 hours these days. Not sure if this only applies to EU plates or other plates too.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 01:31 AM   #198
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When I was getting my visa a month ago, the agency told me that people that drive there often get stuck for 5-6 hours these days. Not sure if this only applies to EU plates or other plates too.
Nah, the Belarus border was never that bad. The Ukrainian border used to be notorious for 5-6 hour queues, but not anymore.

http://granica.gov.pl/index_wait.php?p=b&v=pl&k=w gives the current situation.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 01:29 PM   #199
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You might be right. I just got that impression by what I was told in the travel agency. We also met a Lithuanian driver for a businessman, he mentioned that he had a 'card' (I assume resident's card?) of some sort that allowed him to go through the border without queuing, he mentioned that people without that card can get stuck for a while.

I have never driven into Belarus (only rented car locally) so I can't say what the situation really is.
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You might be right. I just got that impression by what I was told in the travel agency. We also met a Lithuanian driver for a businessman, he mentioned that he had a 'card' (I assume resident's card?) of some sort that allowed him to go through the border without queuing, he mentioned that people without that card can get stuck for a while.
I wonder if he's not simply paid off the local commander of the border crossing. I know that it's possible to skip the queue for the right amount of money (some say 50 Euro online, though I have no idea if it's true or not). If he's a businessman, then 50 Euro to spend 10 minutes waiting as opposed to 2 hours might well be worth it.

There are no 'fast passes' for the borders as far as I'm aware.

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I have never driven into Belarus (only rented car locally) so I can't say what the situation really is.
If you look around online, there are quite a few videos of BY border crossings - the biggest nuisance in the EU-BY direction seems to be getting all the required paperwork.

The BelToll system is a pain though - you have to seemingly put down 50 Euro just to get the box with some credit, although it is refunded when you return the unit.
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