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Old December 20th, 2014, 10:14 AM   #221
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It is not entirely a question of what the government of Poland wants or doesn't want. Most of the funding for highway construction in Poland comes from the EU and the EU is naturally most interested in funding connections within the EU, followed by funding connections to countries which are trying to join the EU. Connections to countries not expected to join the EU is not an EU funding priority.
I know.
I hope Polish govt could be brave to ask EU to allow them to take some cheaper money, such as Chinese. Or to build it with state money.
It's a shame that there is no motorway to BY border. Pure political decision.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 10:42 AM   #222
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Shame? We really don't need motorway for ~4000 vehicles per day.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 02:30 PM   #223
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I know.
I hope Polish govt could be brave to ask EU to allow them to take some cheaper money, such as Chinese. Or to build it with state money.
It's a shame that there is no motorway to BY border. Pure political decision.
1. It is not political decision. Look at that map. Expected traffic in 2020 year.
2. What do you mean by taking cheaper Chinese money? We are not Africa to be happy with cheap stuff from China. As a matter of fact one of the Chinese company was allowed to build motorway near Warsaw. It was disaster. They have no experience to build high standard motorways in Europe, they failed to finish job and finally were replaced with other contractor.

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Old December 20th, 2014, 02:41 PM   #224
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No traffic, no demand, no construction.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 04:42 PM   #225
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No traffic, no demand, no construction.
And in opposite - there is no road that there is no traffic.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 08:57 PM   #226
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And in opposite - there is no road that there is no traffic.
Polish DK2 (national road number 2) goes from Warsaw to the Belarus border near Brest. It is also signed as the E30. It is not a great road, but it is adequate for an AADT of 4000.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 09:43 PM   #227
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I rented a car in Warsaw, in the contract it said explicitly "you must not drive to Belarus"
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Old December 21st, 2014, 11:40 AM   #228
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1. It is not political decision. Look at that map. Expected traffic in 2020 year.
2. What do you mean by taking cheaper Chinese money? We are not Africa to be happy with cheap stuff from China. As a matter of fact one of the Chinese company was allowed to build motorway near Warsaw. It was disaster. They have no experience to build high standard motorways in Europe, they failed to finish job and finally were replaced with other contractor.

So, according to this map, from Warsaw to Brest, there is red segment (more than 20K), and next is grey part (less than 4K).
Thats why I doubt.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 11:56 AM   #229
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That's where the city of Siedlce (pop. 80,000) is located.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 03:10 PM   #230
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If you look carefully at the map you can see that all roads leading to Belarus or Russia (Kaliningrad oblast) have a very low AADT.
Actually the Iron Curtain didn't fall, it only moved further east.
I assume that in the 1980s the AADT was very low in Austria north of Linz or east of Vienna.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 06:10 PM   #231
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If you look carefully at the map you can see that all roads leading to Belarus or Russia (Kaliningrad oblast) have a very low AADT.
Actually the Iron Curtain didn't fall, it only moved further east.
I assume that in the 1980s the AADT was very low in Austria north of Linz or east of Vienna.
As low as the AADT is between Poland and Belarus, it was probably even lower during the Soviet era.
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 01:49 AM   #232
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Well both the EU and Belarus have stiff visa regimes towards each other. Belarus doesn't want too many foreigners, the EU thinks they are punishing the politicians in Belarus by having such a regime but in the end both sides loose and especially common people. So I hope that both sides come to their senses and disconnect travel from politics, then I am sure the AADT will grow significantly.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #233
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44km section of second Minsk ring road to open in 2015

Plans have been made to commission 44km of the second Minsk ring road in 2015, BelTA learned from Yevgeny Rokalo, Head of the Central Office for Automobile Roads of the Belarusian Transport and Communications Ministry, on 13 February.

According to the source, the construction of the second Minsk ring road began in 2014, with all the work scheduled for 2014 completed. About 44km of the ring road will be commissioned in 2015. The section starts with the motorway M3 Minsk-Vitebsk and ends with the motorway M6/E28 Minsk – Grodno – the Polish border (Bruzgi).

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Old February 14th, 2015, 03:18 PM   #234
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If I got it right, there are currently two new motorway sections u/c:

MKAD2: Rakaw (M6) – Ostroshitskij Gorodok (M3) 44km (Early 2014 to 2015) – ? – map
MKAD2: Boroviki (M1) – Rakaw (M6) 44km (2014 to Late 2016) – ? – map

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The northern beltway section length is also specified by 46km. I guess 2km will get in service with the western beltway. I specified the latter with 44 instead of 42km.

Is there any info about the 3rd section, the upgrade of the existing 14km P80 eastern beltway b/n M3 and M2? When will the works begin?

Is MKAD-2 the correct motorway numbering or is there also a M numbering? MKAD-1 is also called M9, isn't it?

Are there currently more new motorway sections u/c in Belarus?
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Old February 14th, 2015, 05:27 PM   #235
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Technically it would be the R80 in Latin alphabet (they are called republican roads). It seems M2 is also part of the MKAD2.
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Old July 3rd, 2015, 06:46 AM   #236
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Around the clock construction of MKAD-2:

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Строительство второй кольцевой вокруг Минска переходит на круглосуточный режим





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Old July 3rd, 2015, 04:04 PM   #237
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Babruysk bypass motorway conversion on Google Earth imagery dated 4 June 2015.







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Old July 6th, 2015, 11:22 AM   #238
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М4 Minsk-Mahileu


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Old July 13th, 2015, 02:57 PM   #239
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Old July 13th, 2015, 03:41 PM   #240
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As this will go like this, then Belarus he will soon have the best road network in Europe.
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