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Old November 9th, 2007, 11:19 PM   #21
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There is also an Ukravtodor, if i remember correctly.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 11:23 PM   #22
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^ Yes, although I don't think they have many pics. There's also Kazavtodor or sth like that (for Kazakhstan), but they've removed pics, I think. Once I sent them an e-mail, if they can introduce an English version, but I got no reply.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 11:35 PM   #23
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This is why I want Batka Lukashenko drafted as president of Russia.
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Old November 10th, 2007, 12:24 AM   #24
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nice roads, when have they been built?
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Old November 10th, 2007, 12:37 AM   #25
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^ The main (and the only long) axis Poland-Russia was turned into 4 lanes in the '80s for the Olympic Games in Moscow (it was named Olimpijka), and was converted into motorway (about 75%) after Belarus gaining independence.
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Old November 10th, 2007, 12:41 AM   #26
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The M1 is 2x2 all the way from Brest to the Russian border. The expresswaysection (don't know if it's all motorway-standard) used to go near Orsha, now to the Russian border, where it continues in the 4 lane highway to Moscow (not a real motorway, but some grade separated intersections here and there).
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Old November 10th, 2007, 04:29 AM   #27
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It's interesting how they spell truly phonetically. "Moscow" is pronounced in Russian in exactly the same way as in this Belorussian sign, but the original unstressed O's are still written in Russian.

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Old November 10th, 2007, 10:33 AM   #28
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Chris, great pictures, thank you!
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Old November 10th, 2007, 03:44 PM   #29
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Great pictures. I never had an idea how roads can look in Belarus. I have seen only some pics of M1/E30. Those pictures have shown poor condition of this road . I don't know how old was those picturesSorry fo my english...
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Old November 10th, 2007, 08:09 PM   #30
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Your English is quite alright
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Old November 10th, 2007, 10:20 PM   #31
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Belarus roads are generally in a good state - better than in Russia and Ukraine. One more difference - they are not jammed, and drivers actually follow the traffic rules. When I read their directional signs, it seems to me like the author was very uneducated in grammar, but then I remember it's Belorussian language
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Old November 10th, 2007, 11:26 PM   #32
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Belarus roads are generally in a good state - better than in Russia and Ukraine. One more difference - they are not jammed, and drivers actually follow the traffic rules. When I read their directional signs, it seems to me like the author was very uneducated in grammar, but then I remember it's Belorussian language
What are some differences? I know enough Cyrillic to know they're spelled differently, but not knowing the languages, what are the reasons for the differences?
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Old November 11th, 2007, 02:01 AM   #33
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Alex was probably referring to the same thing I referred to, where they spell the "A" sound using the letter "A", as opposed to "O", among other things. In Russian the unstressed "O" is also pronounced like "A", but Russians still write it as "O". Ukrainians both write and pronounce the "O".

Belorussian is sufficiently similar to Russian for it to be mutually intelligible (and AFAIK most Belorussians understand Russian fluently), but there are some differences in grammar and pronunciation. Another difference includes the writing/pronunciation of Russian "v" as "u" in some situations.

Also, after independence, unlike Ukraine, which quickly converted most official texts/signs to the Ukrainian language, as far as I know in Belarus they kept a very significant influence of the Russian language.
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Old November 11th, 2007, 02:04 AM   #34
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In Russian language, you write "o", but very often pronounce "a". For instance, you write "Москва", but say "Масква". Some poorly educated people in Russia actually write "Mасква", so when I see this spelling, I immediately assume that this is an incorrect spelling

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Old November 11th, 2007, 02:06 AM   #35
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In Russian language, you write "o", but very often pronounce "a". For instance, you write "Москва", but say "Масква". Some poorly educated people in Russia actually write "Mасква", so when I see this spelling, I immediately assume that this is an incorrect spelling
Yes, the pronunciation rule is actually very systematic. Whenever a syllable with the letter "o" is not the stressed one, the "o" is pronounced like "a". But since stress in Russian is mobile (there is no particular rule which tells what syllable should be stressed), it is very confusing for both writing, and for speaking if you are a non-native speaker.

EDIT: For the curious, this rule is referred to as "akaniye". An analogous rule turns the pronunciation of soft "e" into "i" in unstressed syllables, which is called "ikaniye".
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Old November 11th, 2007, 02:09 AM   #36
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He-he, you haven't heard some Volga accent They write "o" and say "o".
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Old November 11th, 2007, 02:16 AM   #38
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I find it interesting that "Belarusian", as opposed to "Russian", is written with just one "s".
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Old November 11th, 2007, 05:40 AM   #39
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When I was there last year I noticed the good quality of the motorways but also the general abscence of vehicles on them. Do the locals take the backroads to avoid the tolls?
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i don´t think so i thinks it is because of the:
"Density 49/km˛ (142nd)"
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