Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games

[Ultima]

Originally Posted by biffington

Eh what? Why should they 'put something back' ? They're a company who sell products which people like. People pay for a product Diageo make. Diageo don't owe anybody anything.

They should put something back because they trade profitably off of Scotland's image and a Scottish cultural phenomenon (Scotch whisky) which is not of their invention.

[Squirrelking]

Then again all the people they employ and the communities around their plants and distilleries are getting something from them.

Based on profiting off Scottish invention then just about every TV or phone company in the world should be sponsoring the games as well...

[Ultima]

Originally Posted by Squirrelking

Then again all the people they employ and the communities around their plants and distilleries are getting something from them.

Based on profiting off Scottish invention then just about every TV or phone company in the world should be sponsoring the games as well...

TVs and phones aren't marketed using Scotland as a major selling point. They also aren't protected as having special EU status for being Made in Scotland. The list goes on, Diageo benefits from Scotland greatly.

[JohnnyFive]

Originally Posted by Squirrelking

Then again all the people they employ and the communities around their plants and distilleries are getting something from them.

There is a remarkably small number if people required to be employed in a distillery and very little economic effect for the local community with the massive economic benefits being felt in the UK Treasury and Head Office of the company headquarters in London in the case of Diagio.

For example, think of taxation and profit on a bottle of Oban single malt owned by Diagio.

I am from Argyll but how does the taxation and profit on this profit help Argyll from this distillery and the dozens in Argyll in remote and vulnerable communities?

The employees pay all their tax and NI to the UK Treasury.

The bottled product has a massive 72% tax on it by the time it leaves the bonded warehouse which goes straight to the UK Treasury.

When the delivery lorry leaves ingredients (barley etc), coal/peat or picks up for export the fuel and ingredents are also taxed which goes to the UK Treasury.

The local farmer growing the barley pays tax to the UK Treasury and tax on fuel etc or the man digging peat.

The water used has tax going to the UK Treasury as well as the bottle manufacturer, labels etc.

When the workers in the distillery travel or local suppliers travel to work the fill up their car and this tax goes to the UK Treasury.

When Diagio sell the product to Tesco the tax goes to UK Treasury and profit goes to Diagio and corporation tax and tax on Diagio profits goes to the UK Treasury.

When Tesco then stock up their store in Oban and the tourist buys a bottle of Oban whisky the profit goes to Tesco in their headquarters in South East England and corporation tax plus tax on company profits goes to the UK Treasury.

In effect all the economic benefits are going to the South East of England where all the economic mutliplier effect takes place and pushes up the GDP of the South East of England.

The local economic benefit is jobs but all the real and massive economic benefits are not seen locally where there should be seeing as Argyll has some of the most vulnerable communities in Scotland.

It is current Westminster system which cheats those communities actually generating the wealth or profit which is funneled out of their community into the South East of England which needs to change and will not change unless we as a country have full control over all our own affairs in Scotland.

Communities in Argyll are recognised as some of the most vulnerable to the current economic down turn (the truth is many have not recovered since the 1980-1990's downturn yet). This is despite sending whisky all the over the world and generating billions for the UK Treasury.

A benefit of the Union? You bet it is.

[Squirrelking]

Oh please fuck off and do one,this is about the Commonwealth games, save it for the political thread.

I was simply pointing out that the wages earnt by Diagio employees are spent in their local communities, there are several massive plants all over Scotland including Dumbarton and Kilmarnock (remember the uproar over moving Johnnie Walker production? 700 jobs going, I'd hardly call that small scale) that do in fact employ a good number of folk. Remember there is more than just whisky being made in Scotland as well.

[JohnnyFive]

Originally Posted by Squirrelking

Oh please fuck off and do one,this is about the Commonwealth games, save it for the political thread.

I was simply pointing out that the wages earnt by Diagio employees are spent in their local communities, there are several massive plants all over Scotland including Dumbarton and Kilmarnock (remember the uproar over moving Johnnie Walker production? 700 jobs going, I'd hardly call that small scale) that do in fact employ a good number of folk. Remember there is more than just whisky being made in Scotland as well.

I am fully aware this is the Commonwealth Games thread and the discussion is regarding Diagio sponsorship the Glasgow games for Diagio to give a little back to their wealth creators in Scotland.

There are a very small number of people employed at Oban distillery but how much do you think the distillery gives in taxation or the employees via PAYE to the UK Treasury?

How much profit does Oban Distillery give Diagio do you think at their London headquarters?

The point is that due to the way the UK is setup up the majority of the wealth generated by this small group of people in Oban is diverted south to London at Diagio headquarters and UK Treasury and little is felt in Oban itself.

This is duplicated all over Argyll in vulnerable and isolated communities in Argyll (Islay, Jura, Campbeltown, Tobermory) making billions for the UK treasury but where unemployment, economic decline and population decline is evident.

Sponsorship of the Commonwealth Games by Diagio is a way for them to give a little back to Scotland as a whole.

[Due East]

Originally Posted by Squirrelking

Then again all the people they employ and the communities around their plants and distilleries are getting something from them.

Based on profiting off Scottish invention then just about every TV or phone company in the world should be sponsoring the games as well...

My argument was more along the lines that in the areas surrounding the sites that the commonwealths are being held, alcohol (a significant amount supplied by Diageo) has played a major role in destroying lives. Alcohol companies spend many millions of pounds devising advertising and promotional campaigns that often target the most vulnerable and they have effectively normalised the overconsumption of booze. On the whole, they make significant profit from doing this while the rest of us all have to pay the clean up costs. Diageo also spends a fortune on lobbyists ensuring that legislation designed to protect the health of Scottish drinkers is watered down.

So...for this reason, i think its only fair that they kick in a bit of cash to do something positive for the area that has helped boost their profits over all these years.

[Squirrelking]

^ Which is a fair point. I don't think I was replying to you anyway but I agree completely with what you're saying. Maybe Tennants and Caledonian could be doing with stumping something up as well.

Johnny, not everything needs to have an "evil Westminster" spin put on it, it's getting really boring now and is completely irrelevant seeing as it's the UK Treasury that puts the money back towards Scotland. You also completely ignored and avoided my point that not all of their plants are small employers. Never mind that, the games are in Glasgow, not Argyll.

If you have a problem with isolated and vulnerable communities in Argyll I suggest you speak to your MSP, after all it's up to them where the Scottish budget goes. Maybe you'd prefer to see the money set aside for Edinburgh Trams, the M8 completion, Forth Crossing, EGIP or any of the other capital projects in the central belt diverted to aid those who need it more? Don't go blaming Westminster when Holyrood has had 13 years (with 5 under the present SNP administration) to redress any inequity...

[Ultima]

Originally Posted by Squirrelking

^ Which is a fair point.

Johnny, not everything needs to have an "evil Westminster" spin put on it, it's getting really boring now and is completely irrelevant seeing as it's the UK Treasury that puts the money back towards Scotland. You also completely ignored and avoided my point that not all of their plants are small employers. Never mind that, the games are in Glasgow, not Argyll.

If you have a problem with isolated and vulnerable communities in Argyll I suggest you speak to your MSP, after all it's up to them where the Scottish budget goes. Maybe you'd prefer to see the money set aside for Edinburgh Trams, the M8 completion, Forth crossing EGEP or any other capital project set aside to aid those who need it more? Don't go blaming Westminster when Holyrood has had 13 years to redress any inequity...

Poverty is to do with the economy. Greeks aren't in poverty now because a new road got built. It's the economy. Westminster controls the economy in Scotland. Don't let that stop you blaming the Scottish parliament, who have absolutely no control over it. Keep talking your own government down though so Westminster doesn't feel uncomfortable. Fucking good god.

[Squirrelking]

Well if the Scottish government aren't in charge of where our budget gets spent who the fuck is? Pull the blinkers off and take a look around you for gods sake, THEY get the money and THEY choose how it is spent. Whether or not there is enough to go around is irrelevant, there is obviously enough to fund a new Forth Crossing, M8, M74, M80, EGIP before thinking about anyone outside of the central belt. If this is a snapshot of the future the Central belt is the new south-east.

Look at the A9, death trap for years and still years away from getting sorted. Not in the central belt. A82, same story. Orphans sweeping chimneys in Oban, same story.

Same shit, different smell.

And since when was it a crime to criticize your own government? God knows you lot talk down the UK parliament enough. Hypocrite.

[Ultima]

Originally Posted by Squirrelking

Well if the Scottish government aren't in charge of where our budget gets spent who the fuck is? Pull the blinkers off and take a look around you for gods sake, THEY get the money and THEY choose how it is spent. Whether or not there is enough to go around is irrelevant, there is obviously enough to fund a new Forth Crossing, M8, M74, M80, EGIP before thinking about anyone outside of the central belt. If this is a snapshot of the future the Central belt is the new south-east.

Look at the A9, death trap for years and still years away from getting sorted. Not in the central belt. A82, same story. Orphans sweeping chimneys in Oban, same story.

Same shit, different smell.

And since when was it a crime to criticize your own government? God knows you lot talk down the UK parliament enough. Hypocrite.

The source of poverty isn't balancing a grant budget, which the Scottish government do immensely well, it's the economy. Westminster isn't there to protect you - take a look at the fucking mess it's in.

Edit: Not on topic - political ranting - so let's quit it after your next reply SquirrelKing.

[Squirrelking]

Nah we'll just quit here, happy to continue in the appropriate place.

[RapidTaco]

Indeed. I for one am sick of every thread turning into a SNP v UK Government rant. Take your arguments to the Politics thread boys and keep it there please.

[The Boy David]

Indeed!! For the love of god stop talking about politics. It's getting beyond a joke. It's always the same people, too. Don't you ever get tired of saying the same thing?

Stop. It.

[M_Riaz]

Dezeen


As the structures are only temporary, they will be dismantled immediately after the Olympics and reassembled in Glasgow for the 2014 Commonwealth Games

[Mr. B]

Where will they be built? What will they be used for?

As they'll be used for shooting at the Olympics, but as far as I was aware the shooting for the commonwealth games was Carnoustie.... Hence they'll either be used for another sport or they'll be erected in Carnoustie.

[Beardyman]

Will Glasgow also get the temporary wings from the aquatics centre? Will a few trucks arrive in Glasgow - 'where do you want these mate'? Maybe if your lucky you might get the upper tier from the main stadium when its removed....whether you want it or not!....

[M_Riaz]

Originally Posted by Beardyman

Will Glasgow also get the temporary wings from the aquatics centre? Will a few trucks arrive in Glasgow - 'where do you want these mate'? Maybe if your lucky you might get the upper tier from the main stadium when its removed....whether you want it or not!....

Beardy are you moaning about the hand me downs or just feeling a 2nd class citizen that London get to design these items and we've got like it or lump it ?

Oh and it will be a UPS Delivery.

[M_Riaz]

Swatch Group




Item 10 (6 Pages)
28th June 2012


PROCUREMENT OF TIMING, SCORING AND RESULTS EQUIPMENT FOR
THE COMMONWEALTH ARENA AND SIR CHRIS HOY VELODROME, AND
TOLLCROSS INTERNATIONAL SWIMMING CENTRE

Purpose of Report:
To seek approval for the proposed procurement route for the scoreboards,
timing, scoring and results equipment for the Commonwealth Arena and
Velodrome and Tollcross International Swimming Centre.

Recommendations:
The Executive Committee is asked to :
(a) Note the report;
(b) Approve the negotiated procurement from Swatch Group (UK) Limited for
the supply and installation of the scoreboards, timing, scoring and results
equipment at the Commonwealth Arena and the Sir Chris Hoy Velodrome
and the Tollcross International Swimming Centre; and
(c) Agree that the call-in procedure does not apply to ensure that the
equipment will be installed for the planned events at the venues in 2012.


1 PURPOSE OF THE REPORT
1.1 The purpose of this report is to seek approval for the proposed procurement
route for the scoreboards and timing, scoring and results equipment (“TSR
equipment”) for the Commonwealth Arena and Velodrome and Tollcross
International Swimming Centre.
2. INTRODUCTION
2.1 The fit out requirements for the Commonwealth Arena and Velodrome and
Tollcross International Swimming Centre include the provision of TSR
equipment. A budget of £810,000 was estimated at the project design stage
for both venues. TSR equipment is installed after the construction stage is
completed and the venues have been handed back to the Council by the main
contractor.
3. COMMONWEALTH GAMES AND OC SPONSORSHIP
3.1 One of the most critical deliverables for any Games is the successful delivery
of TSR services.
3.2 The OC’s delivery model for the provision of TSR services is for provision by a
single company on a turn-key basis across all Games sports and venues.
This is assessed as achieving the best services outcome for the OC, as well
as providing the greatest commercial sponsorship opportunity in return for
exclusive advertising rights and marketing opportunities during the Games.
Accordingly, TSR services were identified as an important sponsorship
opportunity with this category often having an association with multi-sport or
single sport events.
3.3 The OC received Board approval to enter into exclusive discussions with its
preferred sponsor in accordance with the OC’s approved policies and
procedures. Specifically in this case, the OC has received Board approval to
enter into a sponsorship contract with its preferred sponsor, Longines.
Longines is part of the Swatch Group.
3.4 It should be noted that the Commonwealth Games Federation requires all
venues to be “clean”. This means that any branded equipment or product
normally used in the venue and which is not supplied/manufactured by the
OC’s preferred sponsor will require to be removed at the Council’s expense.
The OC’s preferred sponsor will then install its equipment into the venues for
the period of the Games and remove it once the Games are over. This will
potentially impact on the overall length of time that the venue is closed to
customers and users pre and post Games.
3.5 On the basis of legacy and Games-time requirements, an analysis of the
procurement options for the TSR equipment for the Commonwealth Arena
and Velodrome and Tollcross Centre has been carried out.

The options are:
3.5.1 Competitive tender for TSR equipment which may result in the OC
sponsor’s full overlay being installed separately for the duration of the
Games; or
3.5.2 Negotiated procurement with Swatch Group (UK) Limited with limited
additional TSR equipment overlay being installed for the duration of the
Games.

[Beardyman]

Bit of both to be honest Mo!!

I know moaning is a bit tiresome...but the profligacy of the Olympics is astonishing and the fact that they seem to think that they can 'recycle' things to the regions just takes the biscuit.