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Old December 15th, 2015, 03:01 PM   #2001
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It seems that my informations were wrong.
SNCF effectively added five Z 50000 to Villiers but those trains follow the usual RER E route in Central Paris.
Haussmann Saint-Lazare to Villiers-sur-Marne.

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Do they intend to order modern trains for RER lines?
Current trains on RER E are from the late 90's, they are not old. The RER E suffers of a lack of rolling stock since the extension to Tournan in 2003. They did not order enough trains at the beginning.
RER E will change its rolling stock for the extension to Mantes la Jolie but we don't know how will be this new rolling stock.
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Old December 15th, 2015, 07:35 PM   #2002
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Ok thanks.

That's explain why I saw a Z 50000 at Magenta yesterday.
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Old December 15th, 2015, 08:52 PM   #2003
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Z 50000
Z 50000 in the RER E feels more like provisional solution to cope with a lack of rolling stock than true new trains for the line.

Haussmann Saint-Lazare



Underground stations are not made for the Z 50000, platforms are higher than the train's floor. There are warning annoncements

Map inside the trains.


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Old December 15th, 2015, 09:24 PM   #2004
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Thanks for the pics and last news.
Good thing that Rosa Parks opened at last.
On the other hand, I don't get to see how it will be the last stop for the Mantes services.
There's not a lot of room there.
Anyway, there's still some time to reach a (hopefully better) conclusion. Val de Fontenay, perhaps?

Regarding the Z50000 doing RER E services, just: ...but well, better that than nothing. Didn't they have any extra MI79 or something?

The last photo reminded me of a Civia on a Cercanías at Nuevos Ministerios, Madrid. Btw, what is "Pôle Alsace"?
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Old December 15th, 2015, 09:53 PM   #2005
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Can I just say that I LOVE the underground RER E stations? The architecture is probably some of the best underground platforms I've seen.
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Old December 15th, 2015, 10:16 PM   #2006
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...what is "Pôle Alsace"?
Magenta has two concourses.
"Pôle Alsace" linking to the metro (lines 4, 5) and main platforms of Gare du Nord.
"Pôle Saint-Denis" linking to the suburban part of Gare du Nord (RER B, D, Transilien H, K and metro line 2).

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Old December 18th, 2015, 10:17 PM   #2007
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Old December 19th, 2015, 07:55 PM   #2008
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Why does the height of the platform of a brand new station fail to match the floor level of the only trains, that call there?
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Old December 20th, 2015, 01:58 AM   #2009
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Because those trains will soon be phased out?
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And will be replaced by what?
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Old December 21st, 2015, 02:13 AM   #2011
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We don't know yet.
They will enter service with the extension of RER E. The current name for this stock is RER NG (NG stands for Nouvelle Generation).
NG is used project names.

The difference of height between the MI2N Eole and the new Rosa Parks station is much more complicated that a simple change of rolling stock expected.

MI2N Eole were built according to the RATP standard (1.1m) as well as the central Paris stations of the RER E (Haussmann Saint-Lazare and Magenta).
Note that other stations of the RER E in suburbs have platforms of lower height.

Since then SNCF chose a standard height of 0.92m for platforms in Paris area. (Note that height of platforms in SNCF network is a mess of different sizes, so this defined standard height is a good news).
This is the height of Rosa Parks platforms and the height of Z 50000's floor.
The platforms height at Haussmann Saint-Lazare and Magenta will be reduced to 0.92m with the western extension construction.

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Villiers-sur-Marne
Eastern terminus for the Z50000 on the RER E.

You can see on this picture that the platform height was heightened.
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Old December 21st, 2015, 05:50 AM   #2012
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MI2N Eole were built according to the RATP standard (1.1m) as well as the central Paris stations of the RER E (Haussmann Saint-Lazare and Magenta).
Note that other stations of the RER E in suburbs have platforms of lower height.

Since then SNCF chose a standard height of 0.92cm for platforms in Paris area. (Note that height of platforms in SNCF network is a mess of different sizes, so this defined standard height is a good news).
This is the height of Rosa Parks platforms and the height of Z 50000's floor.
The platforms height at Haussmann Saint-Lazare and Magenta will be reduced to 0.92cm with the western extension construction.
And what will happen with the platforms of RER A, B, C and D?
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MI2N Eole were built according to the RATP standard (1.1m) as well as the central Paris stations of the RER E (Haussmann Saint-Lazare and Magenta).
Note that other stations of the RER E in suburbs have platforms of lower height.
Thank you for the explanation. I suppose the platforms of the tunnel stations of line E are going to be rebuilt then as well. They seem to be 1.10 m high currently.

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Since then SNCF chose a standard height of 0.92cm for platforms in Paris area. (Note that height of platforms in SNCF network is a mess of different sizes, so this defined standard height is a good news).
This is the height of Rosa Parks platforms and the height of Z 50000's floor.
The platforms height at Haussmann Saint-Lazare and Magenta will be reduced to 0.92cm with the western extension construction.
There are three typos in this paragraph. It's either 0.92 m or 92 cm.
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Old December 21st, 2015, 02:50 PM   #2014
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Typing error.
Haussmann Saint-Lazare and Magenta are the tunnel stations

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And what will happen with the platforms of RER A, B, C and D?
For the SNCF section of the RER A and B, nothing.
All the platforms are high on these lines.

For the RER C and D, I beleive that they will progressively increase the height of the stations.
It will take time and it's not really a major project for now. It'll be difficult or impossible for some stations such as Saint-Michel Notre-Dame.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 03:48 PM   #2015
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Recently I took the train to La Defense, and I got thinking: now that Chatelet is getting renovated, is La Defense climbing up to the position of worst major underground station? It really looked depressing. Also very dirty and uncared for, even by Parisian standards.
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Come on! Auber station and some REC C stations are far more depressing stations than La Défense!
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 08:52 PM   #2017
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Come on! Auber station and some REC C stations are far more depressing stations than La Défense!
How many of them could be described as major stations, though?

I think I only went through Auber once, I don't have much recollections from it...
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 10:10 PM   #2018
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I don't find La Défense more depressing than the other underground stations on the RER A.
The renovation at Chatelet-les-Halles is far to be over.

They put put metal coverings to to hide water infiltration in Auber.
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Yeah I know that there are many bad RER stations, but they aren't of the importance of the La Defense station. La Defense is one of Paris' "visit cards" (and should therefore be a showcase of what's great about it). A hell lot of tourists have La Defense as on their bucket list - mainly those from countries without skyscrapers. It's also a key place for businessmen - normally where there's big business, money follows. I suppose many business people arrive by pre-hired car transfer straight from CDG, but not all of them - my sister in law does consultance for Chevron and when she comes she always takes public transport.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 11:00 PM   #2020
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Excluding Chatelet les Halles still in renovation, Gare du Nord (platforms of RER B and D), Auber, Charles de Gaulle Etoile, Gare de Lyon... are as important as La Défense and are as or more depressing.
Gare du Nord is the busiest train station in Europe, it connected to the densest areas. (Benelux, Northwestern Germany, UK).
Auber and Charles de Gaulle Etoile are located in Paris' main and historic CBD, both stations are in major place for business, shopping and tourism.
Gare de Lyon is a major train station.
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