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Old February 11th, 2016, 11:05 PM   #2041
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It could be envisageable but I don't think it's a good idea.
Services from the southeast need to be compatible with Northern services.
Do you mean platform height?

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The RER D is already quite complicated, it could become even messier.
It is better to have simpler RER line than lines with too much branches like the RER C.
Do you think that they're really that many?

I mean, Crossrail 2 in London will be just about as complicated as RER C or RER D.

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I would prefer to increase significantly the frequencies on the northern side.
Don't forget that a new branch is underway in the north "Barreau de gonesse".
True!! I'd forgotten about the Gonesse planned new branch.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 11:32 PM   #2042
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Do you mean platform height?
I mean timetables.

Even if it is true that infrastructure are different from one part to another but we can create trains that are compatible with both.
Southeast network and North network have different current systems.
The RER D needs to change three time of current systems.
Southeast network, RATP network and Northern network. None use the same standard.
Even if not operated by the RATP the RER D uses the RATP infrastructure (Chatelet les Halles and the tunnel between Chatelet les Halles and Gare du Nord).

Why are infrastructures different even inside the SNCF? Because before the nationalization in the mid 1930s, the railway network was divided in sereval private companies.

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Do you think that they're really that many?

I mean, Crossrail 2 in London will be just about as complicated as RER C or RER D.
Crossrail 2 project is crazy, too much branch in the south.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 01:22 AM   #2043
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I mean timetables.
Does RER work with a timetable?

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Even if it is true that infrastructure are different from one part to another but we can create trains that are compatible with both.
Southeast network and North network have different current systems.
The RER D needs to change three time of current systems.
Southeast network, RATP network and Northern network. None use the same standard.
Even if not operated by the RATP the RER D uses the RATP infrastructure (Chatelet les Halles and the tunnel between Chatelet les Halles and Gare du Nord).

Why are infrastructures different even inside the SNCF? Because before the nationalization in the mid 1930s, the railway network was divided in sereval private companies.
Je sais, ça se passe aussi en Angleterre et en Espagne. But I thought you meant other things, like platform height, or signalling, etc.

I don't see that as a big handicap, though.

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Crossrail 2 project is crazy, too much branch in the south.
Kind of, yes. But looks like they can manage it.
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Does RER work with a timetable? :uh
Trains work with timetable, even subway.
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Old February 13th, 2016, 02:45 AM   #2045
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Trains work with timetable, even subway.
I mean outwards. I thought they worked by frequency.
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Old February 15th, 2016, 04:25 PM   #2046
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Apparently, a campaign of 150 minor interventions has happened on the stations of line L just recently, small stuff like cleanings, new signaling, painting, new furniture, screens etc, that have quite a positive impact IMO. A full summary can be found in the link bellow, from which I'm going to post the photos regarding the impovements at Pont Cardinet because they're the only "before and after" type of pics:

http://malignel.transilien.com/2016/...tete-vos-gares


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OK these last few aren't that minor an intervention, I could see passing through the station that there were working sites there for months. But the rest are mainly minor interventions.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 08:40 PM   #2047
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Renovation and extension of Versailles Chantiers Station, 2nd largest outside Paris stations and after La Défense station 13/02/2016 :































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Old February 18th, 2016, 02:54 AM   #2048
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I notice that there are suburban services that are operated both by EMU and by locomotive. Are there any locomotive-operated RER services? If not, do locomotive-hauled excursion trains ever use RER tracks (through the center)?
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I notice that there are suburban services that are operated both by EMU and by locomotive. Are there any locomotive-operated RER services?
No. Only Transilien services.

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If not, do locomotive-hauled excursion trains ever use RER tracks (through the center)?
I don't think they do on RER A or RER B, as RATP is involved.

As for RER C, RER D, and RER E, some of the outer branches of these lines have shared tracks with some Transilien lines in which push-pull trainsets are used as well as EMU's.
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I don't think they do on RER A or RER B, as RATP is involved.

As for RER C, RER D, and RER E, some of the outer branches of these lines have shared tracks with some Transilien lines in which push-pull trainsets are used as well as EMU's.

Okay. But have they ever run locomotive-hauled excursion trains on the central sections of C or D? E is probably out of the question until the extension opens and enables through running. :wink:
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Old February 18th, 2016, 09:27 AM   #2051
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RER central sections have always been operated by EMU.

Note that part of the RER B and C central sections existed prior the RER and are over 115 years old. The oldest underground rail station in Paris is Luxembourg, it opened five year prior to the metro.
These parts were used by locomotive train in the past when those section were not part of the RER.
Sceaux line (now southern part of the RER B) was electrified in the 1930s when this line was transfered to the metro company (CMP).
Invalides to Versailles line (now southeastern part of the RER C) and Orsay to Gare d'Austerlitz section both opened in 1900 and with third rail electric traction.
The RER C was born in 1979 with the opening of the tunnel between Gare d'Orsay and Invalides.
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Old February 18th, 2016, 09:16 PM   #2052
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I notice that there are suburban services that are operated both by EMU and by locomotive. Are there any locomotive-operated RER services? If not, do locomotive-hauled excursion trains ever use RER tracks (through the center)?
That did happen sometimes on the RER A :

http://www.copef.org/styled-12/style...1004-full.html

http://www.copef.org/styled-12/style...1005-full.html

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WOW. I want to see that pic of that Jacquemin. Please find it!
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It was exceptional run for special events, not a regular service.
Similar trip have been made in the RER C.
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Big news!!
Last service of the MS61 will be Saturday, April 9.

This is it, the end of the MS61 after 49 years of service.
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It was exceptional run for special events, not a regular service.
Similar trip have been made in the RER C.
That is what I was asking about.

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Last service of the MS61 will be Saturday, April 9.

This is it, the end of the MS61 after 49 years of service.
Its the end of an era.
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I plan to visit Paris to bid farewell to the MS61 before 9 April (28-31 March?) and record (as clean as possible) sounds for prosperity, as my disability means I may not be able to cope with the crowd on the final day.

Due to the security situation I have written directly to RATP so that they can arrange for my plan smoothly.

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Another question, what was the original source of the "Big News" about the MS 61 if you don't mind me asking?
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Old February 26th, 2016, 02:33 PM   #2058
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In Symbioz (a french forum about parisian public transportation) sombody wrote to the RATP and he received this reponse.

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Votre courriel a retenu toute mon attention.

Je vous prie tout d'abord de bien vouloir accepter mes excuses pour le délai apporté à vous répondre.

Compte tenu du contexte actuel, plan Vigipirate renforcé, il nous semble difficile de pouvoir organiser un événement de grande ampleur autour du dernier voyage du MS61.

Toutefois, nous sommes conscients du fort attachement de certains de nos agents et des passionnés du matériel roulant.

Le samedi 9 avril 2016, le dernier MS61 fera bien son dernier voyage sur la A, ce qui correspond à la fin de la circulation de ce matériel. C'est pourquoi, durant les 15 jours précédents, une campagne sur les médias digitaux avec des photos d’époque, des histoires, anecdotes, des chiffres, le nouveau matériel qui remplace les anciens trains du RER sera mise en place. De plus, le jour même, une opération de presse sera réalisée en exclusivité, les conditions d'organisation n'étant pas encore fixées.



J'espère avoir pu répondre à vos attentes et vous prie d'agréer, Monsieur, mes salutations distinguées.

Cordialement,


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http://symbioz.net/forum/ouragan/mes...c=5582&page=28

So the date comes from the RATP.
Because of the terror threat, they will not organise a big celebration but they will anyway put informations about MS61 and MI09 on screens.

Some people think (because rumors said that the last service will be on March 31) that the last service during the week will be on the end of March but MS61's final service will be on April 9.
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According to my current search of the topic, it seems that there could be a gap between the last day of normal service 31 March and the special farewell 9 April. I am going to Paris early to avoid the crowds.
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B 82500 run on long distance Paris-Est – Provins/La Ferté-Milon services.
These are dual-mode trains, they can be powered by diesel or overhead electrification.


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