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Old July 31st, 2016, 09:15 PM   #2181
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So, just general "big project in Paris" costs, then? No particular engineering challenges on that exact route?
We don't really know because no major planning has been ever made.

This line would have to pass under several large underground hubs, under 11 to 12 underground lines and several times under line 13.
It would have to pass under the Seine river, many underground structures (car parks, sewers, pipes, underground cooling network, underground river...) the area around Saint-Lazare is particuliary crowded.
There are groundwater and many other difficulties about Paris' soil. The protection of protection of major buildings in the surface, digging with TBM can damage buildings.

I think there would be engineering challenges to built this line.
Simple cut and cover work is not possible in Central Paris.
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Old July 31st, 2016, 10:16 PM   #2182
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Alright, that does sound very difficult. Well, fingers crossed, hopefully it will happen someday (sooner rather than later).
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Old August 1st, 2016, 04:08 AM   #2183
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Alright, that does sound very difficult. Well, fingers crossed, hopefully it will happen someday (sooner rather than later).
Not sure.

Why Saint Lazare and not Gare du Nord instead, which is just as crowded?

In fact, RER A and RER E take over lines that used to run to Saint Lazare, and still run through it (Auber/Haussmann).

On the other hand, RER B and RER D only take a part of the lines that run to Gare du Nord, RER E taking part of the lines running to Gare de l'Est.

The only big station not connected to any RER is Montparnasse (and Bercy is still not a big station).
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 10:59 AM   #2184
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So, just general "big project in Paris" costs, then? No particular engineering challenges on that exact route?

...and the Pompidou is third?
Opéra Bastille is third ; and then, Montparnasse tower.

Pompidou center looks strange but is not really ugly. and, contrary to the others, it's not too big.

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Why Saint Lazare and not Gare du Nord instead, which is just as crowded?

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The only big station not connected to any RER is Montparnasse (and Bercy is still not a big station).
Because there are already two RER lines between Gare du Nord and the south.

The Saint Lazare suburban network has no direct connection to the center of Paris. It's a problem since many people who live in normandy are working in Paris.

And there's a great need of a north-south line in this part of Paris as the line 13 of the subway is overcrowded (in fact it's THE line to avoid !).


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La Défense (L, U, and T2 ; view from the platform of the tram ; I was waiting for my tram to go back to Suresnes) :





La Défense (RER A station) :



There will be a third station at La Défense after the completion of the RER E, and there's a long term project for a TGV station at this location.
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Old August 4th, 2016, 12:11 AM   #2185
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Le Raincy – Villemomble – Montfermeil












Something I had never seen before, a Z50000 on the RER E to Chelles .
I thought that Z50000 were only on services to/from Villiers sur Marne


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Old August 4th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #2186
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Former line between Bastille (48.849665, 2.371214) and Saint-Mandé (48.840914, 2.413097), now a walkway :





There's a junction between this line and the petite ceinture (48.837456, 2.406054) :








https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coul%C...n%C3%A9-Dumont
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Old August 11th, 2016, 11:29 AM   #2187
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Something I had never seen before, a Z50000 on the RER E to Chelles .
I thought that Z50000 were only on services to/from Villiers sur Marne



Great ! This is "my" station. (I live in Villemomble)
And yes, there have been Z50000 to and from Chelles since they were introduced to RER E, for example the train I took daily at 7:34 AM was almost always at Z50000.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 12:05 AM   #2188
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I have seen Z50000 on every services of the RER E. (Chelles, Villiers sur Marne and Tournan)
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Houilles - Carrières-sur-Seine

With the closure of the RER A central section and no service on RER A to Poissy, they increased service on the L to Cergy and added services to Poissy.
While usually the RER A rules here, this time it's the L.

Z50000 of the L to Cergy leaving the station and VIB train of the J bound to Saint Lazare.

Z6400 of the L leaving to Saint Lazare and J also leaving to Saint-Lazare
Note thet L and J don't use the same route to Saint-Lazare, this service of the J will be replaced by the RER E extension.


TER Normandie from Saint-Lazare passing thru the station

Z6400 of the L to Poissy

MI09 of the RER A to La Défense


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Today I recorded my most usual itinerary, Saint-Lazare to Asnières (line J):



At the beginning, in the mid-19th century, this took around 45 minutes!

Two minutes in you can see the new pedestrian bridge that connects ZAC Batignolles with Pont Cardinet. It's been getting erected for a few days now, very fast progress.
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How often do trains run all the way out to Monet's gardens in Giverny? Is there any attempt to market the service for tourists? What stock is used?
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How often do trains run all the way out to Monet's gardens in Giverny? Is there any attempt to market the service for tourists? What stock is used?
Giverny is actually on the other side of the regional border, in Normandy. The TER Haute-Normandie has a stop in Vernon for some of their Paris bound trains, let me see how many times a day... And there is also the Paris-Rouen Intercity that stops there.

I looked for Tuesday and in total there are 20 trains that connect Paris to Vernon. Of course, not all of them are suitable for tourism, only the morning ones leave one enough time to visit and come back in the same day. I'd recommend the trains at 8:17, 10:17 and 12:17. For Saturday (tomorrow) there are trains at 8:22, 9:36, 10:47 and 12:06.

This direction is indeed branded as the route of impressionism: http://www.ter.sncf.com/haute-norman...mpressionnisme I don't think they're trying to reach out to get more tourists (the gardens are fairly crowded), they are instead trying to design a full blown tourism corridor through the Reinventing The Seine project. With this they are focusing on establishing other destinations along the way like Mantes-la-Jolie, for its outstanding gothic cathedral that you can explore here: http://mappinggothic.org/building/1147
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According to both Wikipedia and Google, Vernon is the terminus station for a branch of the Transilien J.

And there are several Transilien lines that cross the regional border.

What equipment might be seen on the TER trains and the J trains?
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They do have Vernon on the map as the end of a J branch, but if you look on the page with all the official timetables for all the stations on the J, Vernon doesn't appear at all: http://www.vianavigo.com/fr/horaires...de=800:J&&&L=0

It's been like this for all the time that I've been taking an interest in regional rail. Maybe they had Js going there some years ago and they haven't since modified the map, I don't know.
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Okay....

Does anyone have more information in regards to this?

Also, what types of equipment do these two lines (TER and J) use?
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Line J uses two kinds of rolling stock: old VB2N trains and the new Z5000

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voitur...0_deux_niveaux
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_50000

From the rolling stock of TER Haute-Normandie I recognize this entering Saint-Lazare for sure, maybe there are others too: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/TER_2N_NG

The Intercity trains I've seen all seem to be Corail: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiture_Corail
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RER A reopened yesterday.



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Line J uses two kinds of rolling stock: old VB2N trains and the new Z5000

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voitur...0_deux_niveaux
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_50000

From the rolling stock of TER Haute-Normandie I recognize this entering Saint-Lazare for sure, maybe there are others too: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/TER_2N_NG

The Intercity trains I've seen all seem to be Corail: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiture_Corail
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Chatelet-les-Halles
RER A reopened yesterday.



Still looks like an industrial warehouse. All of the old RER stations look so dark and gloomy. I hope that the rehab isn't finished and it will look brighter like the new E stations.
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The closure of RER A's central section was for tracks replacement.
They did change the flooring of Chatêlet-les-Halles RER A's platforms during this closure but that's all.
The renovation of Chatêlet-les-Halles is not over.
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The new flooring makes it look quite nice. But all those black ceilings...yeesh.
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