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Old August 25th, 2016, 04:23 PM   #2201
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Still looks like an industrial warehouse. All of the old RER stations look so dark and gloomy. I hope that the rehab isn't finished and it will look brighter like the new E stations.
I agree. I think the design choices for the refurbishmet of RER Chatelet are shockingly poor. Even stations that we now perceive as dated and ugly looked good at the beginning, but those new silvery tiles etc. look bad right now.

In continuation of the discussion about Vernon, I must say that the connections for interesting regional towns has always been a preocupation of mine, and I used to think that out of all of them, Provins gets the worst deal... But today I was surprised to discover that Senlis does not even have rail transport to Paris! It's TER train between Paris and Chantilly and coach between Chantilly and Senlis. And that despite it being only forty kilometres away, much less than Fontainebleau or Mantes for example.

BTW Provins is an absolutly exceptional medieval town (UNESCO World Heritage Site), with impressive fortified walls, superb medieval churches, fortified castle, old houses... Line P from Gare de l'Est reaches it in one hour and twentyfour minutes, which is a lot. (Seventy-something kilometres in straight line.)
I wonder, how long Paris-Provins would take if the itinerary was a direct express line, without stops and with the maximum speed allowed for express lines. I suspect around 45 minutes.
Maybe it's better like it is now, so that Provins remains a hidden gem and doesn't turn into a lifeless tourist trap.




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Old August 25th, 2016, 04:41 PM   #2202
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Fontainebleau or Mantes are part of Paris Region (Ile de France) whereas Senlis is part of Haut de France (Nord Pas de Calais - Picardie).
I think Oise departement should be part of Paris Region rather than the Northern Region of France. It revolves more around Paris rather than around Amiens or Lille.

Senlis train station closed in 1950.
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Old August 25th, 2016, 05:55 PM   #2203
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^ Sure, I agree. But I think that had the railway not been abandoned progressively and become unusable, nowadays there would have been a few trains per day to connect Senlis to Paris, either TER or Transilien. Like 00Zy99 said too, there are Transilien lines that go past the regional border.

In other news, the c*nt who forced all the traffic in and out of Saint-Lazare to stop for a whole evening on last Thursday has been given a six month jail sentence and a 23000 euro fine.

http://www.leparisien.fr/info-paris-...81423554&nli=r

He had been thrashing a train toilet, been aggressive with travellers, and when the police came he ran on the tracks. That means that all traffic has to stop; trains have to stop where they are until the tracks are completely clear beyond any doubt. So, traffic would have resumed after an hour, but then, other hurried f*ckwits who were waiting in their stopped trains forced the doors to descend on the tracks to try and reach an exit / station by foot, only prolonging the situation for more time.
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Old August 27th, 2016, 12:22 AM   #2204
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Today was the third major incident in eight days that cut completely the traffic at Saint-Lazare for an entire part of the day. :-0 For last Thursday see above, Wednesday was a service train who broke down and people from stranded in waiting trains descended on the tracks, today was a traveller train who broke down and people descended on the tracks.

Here it is how it looks when people forcefully descend from trains:



https://twitter.com/rdkbw/status/769214709874757632

It seems there are several twitter accounts where travellers post real-time updates about traffic incidents, more useful actually than SNCF's own dedicated accounts for their lines.
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Old August 27th, 2016, 04:53 AM   #2205
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Great network but , today in paris 38 temperature the train not air conditioning Delay , no clean , ticket price high ... .
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Old August 29th, 2016, 10:37 PM   #2206
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The new flooring makes it look quite nice.
...and much more slippery than before.

The traditionnal floor in Paris is ugly, but safe.


Paris-Lyon (Transilien R) :



Fontainebleau-Forêt (Transilien R) ; only three trains in the morning on saturday and sunday stops here, in the middle of the forest ; there's only a single platform and to board trains is striclty forbidden. This station is dedicated to hikers only.





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Old August 29th, 2016, 11:40 PM   #2207
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...that station isn't even on Google Map. Its American counterparts are better served:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manito...-North_station)

(other stations in link)
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^ It's a *stop* rather than a *station*. :-)
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Old August 30th, 2016, 04:04 PM   #2209
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^ It's a *stop* rather than a *station*. :-)
Potato, potato.

The American stops aren't exactly Grand Central either (though the trains do head there).
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Old August 30th, 2016, 08:39 PM   #2210
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BTW Provins is an absolutly exceptional medieval town (UNESCO World Heritage Site), with impressive fortified walls, superb medieval churches, fortified castle, old houses... Line P from Gare de l'Est reaches it in one hour and twentyfour minutes, which is a lot. (Seventy-something kilometres in straight line.)
I wonder, how long Paris-Provins would take if the itinerary was a direct express line, without stops and with the maximum speed allowed for express lines. I suspect around 45 minutes.
Maybe it's better like it is now, so that Provins remains a hidden gem and doesn't turn into a lifeless tourist trap.
I totally agree. This medieval town is really wonderful.

The electrification of the last part of the line (including Provins station) is currently on the way. That will reduce the length of the journey.

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The Saint Lazare suburban network has no direct connection to the center of Paris. It's a problem since many people who live in normandy are working in Paris.
Saint-Lazare is a terminus in the center of Paris, like Grand Central in New York.
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Old September 6th, 2016, 10:59 PM   #2212
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Two bridges were built above the tracks at Pont Cardinet during this summer.









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(New) operations centre at Saint-Lazare:



https://twitter.com/RoussillotO/stat...43501529341952





https://twitter.com/natkoala/status/775375662928523264
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A video of the former operations centre of Saint-Lazare.

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Saint-Lazare is a terminus in the center of Paris, like Grand Central in New York.
Not really. The station is far away from most economic centers.

And as there is no access to the RER network from Saint Lazare, the station does not provide an easy access to La Défense. That's one of the reasons why the extension of the RER E is considered as very important.



La Garenne Colombes (Transilien L) :





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Not really. The station is far away from most economic centers.

Saint-Lazare is right inside Paris CBD, the station is around the largest concentration of office space and jobs in France
(contrary to many ideas, La Défense is not the main business center of Paris).

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...the station does not provide an easy access to La Défense...

There is a direct line between Saint-Lazare and La Defense
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Saint-Lazare is right inside Paris CBD, the station is around the largest concentration of office space and jobs in France
(contrary to many ideas, La Défense is not the main business center of Paris).

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There is a direct line between Saint-Lazare and La Defense
There's an interchange between Saint Lazare and Auber, yes... but it is probably the worst interchange of the wole network, you can't say that it's an "easy acess " ! Most of the time, during rush hours, I have to walk at least 15 minutes between the platforms in Saint Lazare SNCF station and Auber !

Moreover, the people who work near Saint Lazare live in the suburbs. But most of the people who live in Normandy and have their job in Paris work in La Défense (and that's the reason why the project for a TGV station in La Défense is closely related to the construction of the Paris-Normandy TGV line !).


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There is an sncf line that goes from Saint Lazare to versailles rive droite and goes through La Defense. There are even no stop trains between Saint Lazare and La Defense.
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There is an sncf line that goes from Saint Lazare to versailles rive droite and goes through La Defense. There are even no stop trains between Saint Lazare and La Defense.
Three line in fact, depend of your destination (In don't make any difference between Nanterre and La Défense). But (according to my own experience, I had to go there sometimes, there's an important tribunal there) it's slower with the transilien.
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