daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Subways and Urban Transport

Subways and Urban Transport Metros, subways, light rail, trams, buses and other local transport systems



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old October 21st, 2008, 03:52 PM   #301
Augusto
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: PAR THR KL SIN
Posts: 393
Likes (Received): 47

No, only Ratp RER are totaly segregated from other traffics.
RER A shares its tracks with suburban trains on the Cergy branch.
So do RER C with freight and suburban trains between Viroflay and Saint Quentin. And with one TGV and freight trains between Massy and Versailles-Chantiers.
RER B shares 2 of its 4 tracks with freight and regional trains in the north of Gare du Nord. This will change in the future though, when all the trains will be "all local" on 2 tracks only.
There other examples on lines C, D and E.
Augusto no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old October 21st, 2008, 03:54 PM   #302
Cosmin
Euro Mod
 
Cosmin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Bucharest
Posts: 17,285
Likes (Received): 5961

Well, sorry for the mistake then. I thought it's only that portion that they share (it even says so on Wikipedia).
Cosmin no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 31st, 2008, 08:38 PM   #303
Minato ku
Moderator
 
Minato ku's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Paris, Montrouge
Posts: 16,746

viaduc in Issy les Moulineaux.


Picture by Metropolitan
__________________
すみません !
J’aime Paris et je veux des tours !
Minato ku no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 1st, 2008, 01:56 AM   #304
serdar samanlı
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Vienna
Posts: 792
Likes (Received): 21

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minato ku View Post
RER train run at the left.



The Cergy and Poissy western branchs of the RER A are run by the SNCF
The northern branch of the RER B is run by the SNCF.
RER C, D and E are entirely run by the SNCF.

If most of the RER system is operated by the SNCF, the RATP RER carry more passengers.
So there are actually two RERs one run by RATP and other run by SNCF
serdar samanlı no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 1st, 2008, 07:53 PM   #305
Augusto
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: PAR THR KL SIN
Posts: 393
Likes (Received): 47

No, it's not as simple. Line C, D and E are operated by Sncf. Line D use the Ratp's line B tracks between Gare du Nord and Chatelet. Ratp operate one western branch and central and eastern part of line A and southern part of line B. So the only route wich is 100% Ratp is the one that goes to Saint Germain in the west (not to mention the peak hour service that stop at la Défense). Btw it's the only one wich is 1500V only and where can be found Paris oldest suburban rolling stock: the MS61.
Augusto no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 2nd, 2008, 03:44 PM   #306
Dugommier
Penisless
 
Dugommier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dans le métro
Posts: 4,596
Likes (Received): 374

Minatu Ku, Just two queries:

In how long would it built the station St-Michel Notre-Dame and how was the operational pattern of the line during that period?

Thanks in advance.








Please, excuse me for my bad grammar...
__________________
🚈
Dugommier no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 2nd, 2008, 06:19 PM   #307
Hugues75
Hugues. Paris, France
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Paris
Posts: 342
Likes (Received): 3

http://www.ratp.info/orienter/f_plan...pdf=rer&fm=gif

------------------------------------

RER A is :

- RATP on 1 of the 3 western branches (A1, to Saint-Germain-en-Laye), central (from Nanterre-Préfecture to Vincennes, so this includes Paris itself) and both eastern branches A2 (Boissy-Saint-Léger) and A4 (Marne-la-Vallée Chessy Parc Disneyland). Here, the traffic is totally segregated.

- SNCF on 2 of the 3 western branches, A3 (Cergy-le-Haut) and A5 (Poissy). So those 2 branches are also used by trains from Paris - Saint-Lazare.

http://www.ratp.info/orienter/f_plan...f=rer_a&fm=gif

------------------------------------

RER B is :

- RATP on southern branches B2 (Robinson) and B4 (Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuses) and central from Bourg-la-Reine to Gare du Nord (also called "Paris - Nord"). The trafic is totally segregated, except the tunnel between Châtelet - Les Halles to Gare du Nord, which is owned by RATP but also used by SNCF trains of the RER D...

- SNCF on the northern part from Gare du Nord to Mitry-Claye (B5) and to Aéroport Roissy-Charles-de-Gaulle (B3). Branch B3 is used only by RER B trains, but between Gare du Nord and Mitry-Claye, there are also SNCF trains from Paris - Gare du Nord.

http://www.ratp.info/orienter/f_plan...f=rer_b&fm=gif

------------------------------------

RER C, D & E are 100% SNCF. So this is why there is no plan for those lines on RATP site.


------------------------------------

For St-Michel-Notre Dame : RER B opened in 1977. The works for this station started in 1983 and were finished in 1988. It was the occasion to reopen the closed station "Cluny" (recalled "Cluny-La Sorbonne") on metro line M10 ; this station had been closed since 1939 !
__________________
Hugues. Paris, France
Hugues75 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 3rd, 2008, 01:03 PM   #308
paF4uko
Blow the Horn!
 
paF4uko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Из Стара планина
Posts: 5,373
Likes (Received): 753

Each time I go to Paris from Lyon by TGV there are some RER and Transilien running in parallel with the TGV and I noticed that there are even switches between the TGV, RER and Transilien tracks...
Here's a small example visible from space
This is between the Gare de Lyon and Gare de Bercy. You see clearly the interconnection between the RER tracks and the tracks used by the national train traffic. If you move to the left you'll also notice the tunnel where the RER tacks go underground.
__________________
Odi! Squillan le trombe!

Last edited by paF4uko; November 3rd, 2008 at 01:25 PM.
paF4uko no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 3rd, 2008, 11:40 PM   #309
jarbury
Resident Planner
 
jarbury's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Auckland
Posts: 3,795
Likes (Received): 24

Isn't the general opinion that RATP run their RER services much much better than SNCF, who are a bit obsessed with the awesomeness of TGV?

I've only ever been on RER C out to Versailles and the whole line did feel a little run down. Given that it was a Sunday, it seemed like without the hoardes of tourists going out to Versailles the whole system was pretty dead. Compare that to the RATP run RER A which has fantastic frequencies and (so I'm told) comparatively modern rolling stock. Just a coincidence?
__________________
All opinions are my own and not my employer's (or anyone else's).
jarbury no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 3rd, 2008, 11:51 PM   #310
Minato ku
Moderator
 
Minato ku's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Paris, Montrouge
Posts: 16,746

It is exactly the case.
The thing that SNCF do a little better than RATP is the cleaness. (RER E is a way cleaner than the RER A)

The RER C has too much branchs, there is also a difference between a quite little used western section and a well used eastern section.
Versailles is in the western section and outside rush hours, when trains are quite busy due at Issy Val de Seine business district, trains are empty.
__________________
すみません !
J’aime Paris et je veux des tours !

Last edited by Minato ku; December 10th, 2008 at 09:29 PM.
Minato ku no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2008, 01:00 AM   #311
paF4uko
Blow the Horn!
 
paF4uko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Из Стара планина
Posts: 5,373
Likes (Received): 753

Once I found a shit with a paper on a seat in RER B on the way from CDG T2 to Châtelet - Les Halles...
__________________
Odi! Squillan le trombe!
paF4uko no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2008, 05:03 AM   #312
Brice
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: NYC
Posts: 2,642
Likes (Received): 168

Quote:
Originally Posted by paF4uko View Post
Each time I go to Paris from Lyon by TGV there are some RER and Transilien running in parallel with the TGV and I noticed that there are even switches between the TGV, RER and Transilien tracks...
Here's a small example visible from space
This is between the Gare de Lyon and Gare de Bercy. You see clearly the interconnection between the RER tracks and the tracks used by the national train traffic. If you move to the left you'll also notice the tunnel where the RER tacks go underground.
RER D and others train run parallel but RER have their own track. I have never seen another train on the RER D tracks.
Brice no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2008, 07:07 AM   #313
Dugommier
Penisless
 
Dugommier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dans le métro
Posts: 4,596
Likes (Received): 374

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugues75 View Post

------------------------------------

For St-Michel-Notre Dame : RER B opened in 1977. The works for this station started in 1983 and were finished in 1988. It was the occasion to reopen the closed station "Cluny" (recalled "Cluny-La Sorbonne") on metro line M10 ; this station had been closed since 1939 !
Interesant!, thanks!
I think between this period (1983-1985), the south terminus of the line was Denfert Rochereau. Am I right?
__________________
🚈
Dugommier no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2008, 08:46 AM   #314
paF4uko
Blow the Horn!
 
paF4uko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Из Стара планина
Posts: 5,373
Likes (Received): 753

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brice View Post
RER D and others train run parallel but RER have their own track. I have never seen another train on the RER D tracks.
Maybe some Transiliens. But my point was that the tracks are interconnected.
__________________
Odi! Squillan le trombe!
paF4uko no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2008, 10:49 AM   #315
Hugues75
Hugues. Paris, France
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Paris
Posts: 342
Likes (Received): 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dugommier View Post
Interesant!, thanks!
I think between this period (1983-1985), the south terminus of the line was Denfert Rochereau. Am I right?

Not exactly. Here is all history of RER B :

1848 : opening of the "Ligne de Sceaux" (the Sceaux line), Denfert-Rochereau - Sceaux [with a special system incompatible with others current trains].
1854 : Bourg-la-Reine - Orsay
1867 : Orsay - Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse - Limours
1890 : the ligne de Sceaux, rebought by the "Paris-Orléans" company, became compatible with current system
1894-1897 : Denfert-Rochereau - Luxembourg
1938 : the CMP (which will become RATP after WW2) bought the ligne de Sceaux
1939 : end of electrification (1.5 kV = ) ; the section Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse - Limours definitively closed

1977 : Luxembourg - Châtelet-Les Halles. Birth of RER B
1981 : Châtelet-Les Halles - Gare du Nord
1983-1987 : interconnexion
1988 (february the 17th) : St-Michel ND opens
1994 : Roissy - Aéroport Charles-de-Gaulle 2 TGV (the Roissy branch was opened in 1976).


So, before 1977, this wasn't a RER, and its northern terminus was Luxembourg (Denfert-Rochereau was terminus before 1900).
__________________
Hugues. Paris, France
Hugues75 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2008, 05:02 PM   #316
Metropolitan
BANNED
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 3,360
Likes (Received): 11

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dugommier View Post
Interesant!, thanks!
I think between this period (1983-1985), the south terminus of the line was Denfert Rochereau. Am I right?
Here are two diagrams posted earlier on this thread which shows the opening dates of each section and station on RER A and B.

The more it's blue, the older it is. The more it's red, the newer it is (colours don't correspond to the same dates on both line diagrams).




Last edited by Metropolitan; November 4th, 2008 at 05:10 PM.
Metropolitan no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2008, 12:55 AM   #317
Dugommier
Penisless
 
Dugommier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dans le métro
Posts: 4,596
Likes (Received): 374

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugues75 View Post
Not exactly. Here is all history of RER B...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metropolitan View Post
Here are two diagrams posted earlier on this thread which shows the opening dates of each section and station on RER A and B...
Thanks for fully explication!

Here in Venezuela, when build a station after the line has been completed, between this period trains only run on single track (I hate that), compared with other networks, such as Moscow, that do not close sections and trains run at double track during construcction.
__________________
🚈

Last edited by Dugommier; November 5th, 2008 at 08:02 AM. Reason: Moscow
Dugommier no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2008, 07:37 AM   #318
Minato ku
Moderator
 
Minato ku's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Paris, Montrouge
Posts: 16,746

A render of a refurbished MI79
__________________
すみません !
J’aime Paris et je veux des tours !
Minato ku no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2008, 12:57 PM   #319
paF4uko
Blow the Horn!
 
paF4uko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Из Стара планина
Posts: 5,373
Likes (Received): 753

I really hope they keep those clean...
__________________
Odi! Squillan le trombe!
paF4uko no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #320
Alvar Lavague
European citizen
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Paris
Posts: 1,236
Likes (Received): 124

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metropolitan View Post
This map is wrong concerning Cergy-préfecture. The station opened in 1979, as part of the "Saint-Lazare" network, Cergy-Saint-Christophe opened in 1985. The RER reaches Saint-Christophe in 1988 and Cergy-le-Haut station opened in 1994.
__________________
"Every man has two countries, his own and France"
Thomas Jefferson

Last edited by Alvar Lavague; November 5th, 2008 at 02:30 PM.
Alvar Lavague no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
paris, paris transport, rer

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium