PARIS | RER & Suburban Rail

[Metropolitan]

Originally Posted by stefanguti

Merci bcp, j'adore les RER a Paris!
Thanks!

Well, thanks, I'm also a big fan of lines A and B, though I must admit it's probably not the best period to admire them currently.

I've often talked with pride about the high frequency of trains on line A, but currently, there's really not much to be proud of...

[Minato ku]

And there is not traffic in the southern RER B.

[geoking66]

The RER C is so confusing, I think they should simplify it by connecting it to the RER E and extend the RER E from Haussmann - Saint Lazare and make a new branch (or two).

[m@rco]

Originally Posted by geoking66

The RER C is so confusing, I think they should simplify it by connecting it to the RER E and extend the RER E from Haussmann - Saint Lazare and make a new branch (or two).

[Minato ku]

M@rco is right, the RER E has other extention projects.
One is bad and cheap and an other wich is better but more expensive.

[Minato ku]

In several long years (It is not exagerated to say 20 with the actual goverment of Paris region) the southern branch of the RER C (C8) Juvisy sur Orge to Versailles Chantier should be deconned of the RER C and would became a part of one of Grand Ceinture (Outer ring) lines.

[macpolo]

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[macpolo]

Originally Posted by Minato ku

M@rco is right, the RER E has other extention projects.
One is bad and cheap and an other wich is better but more expensive.

RER E, i was going to take it at saint lazare once ,but i was confused ,so i asked some passengers, they didnt even know rer E exists ,and they were parisiens

is it transilien ? or part of it?

[Minato ku]

Video; mostly in the RER A, a part in the RER B and a very small part in the RER D



RER B

Saint Michel Notre Dame


Denfert Richereau


Cite universitaire

[Manuel]

@Minato
Are crowds regulated on the RER (and on the metro system). I mean when it gets seriously overcrowded, have the authorities introduce a system to control crowds (like porticos, red lights, or man stopping the crowds).
In normal times I mean, not during strikes.

I was quite surprised to see people surprised when guards forbid them to get on the platforms when it got extremely busy... Are parisian not accustomed to crowd control during normal times?

[eklips]

Manuel, personnaly I have never seen anything like this, when the RER is very crowded you either push your way through or just wait for the next one.

macpolo, why are you bringing politics into this?

[Minato ku]

I ever heard of pusher in the RER A.

It was 63,000 passengers per hour in one way on the RER A in Rush Hour in 2004. The ridership of the RER A has increased since.

[m@rco]

Originally Posted by Manuel

@Minato
Are crowds regulated on the RER (and on the metro system). I mean when it gets seriously overcrowded, have the authorities introduce a system to control crowds (like porticos, red lights, or man stopping the crowds).
In normal times I mean, not during strikes.

I was quite surprised to see people surprised when guards forbid them to get on the platforms when it got extremely busy... Are parisian not accustomed to crowd control during normal times?

Porticos have been put in place in 1921 in the corridors of the metro.
I remenber when I was young (20 years ago), in the corridors of St Lazare (L13) there were 2 lanes (separated by a barrier) for the 2 directions (St Denis or Asnières) and 2 porticos that were opened alternatively.

It was like this, I think there are still here in some stations but they should not work anymore...



In 1947:

[Metropolitan]

These porticos were strongly despised by the population. Indeed, they were closing access to platforms at the arrival of trains, before they were stopped. Thus, they were felt by passengers as a useless feature which was only there to annoy them.

According to the RATP, these porticos were supposed to make trains stopping time in station shorter considering that it would cut a continuous flow of passengers. One must remember that at the time the system was saturated. Indeed, even if the annual ridership was far lower than today, trains needed more time to accelerate and slow down, doors weren't fully automatic and there wasn't screens for drivers to help them figuring out the good moment to close the doors. As a result, there were agents in each train who went on the platform at each station to get a quick glance on it and make a sign to the driver once it was ok. Well, all this to say that at the time, there were generally only a train every 4 or 5 minutes depending on lines during rush hours. That's about twice less as nowadays.

Anyway, when the MP59 and the MF67 rolling stocks replaced the old sprague trains, train frequency could significantly increase. As a result, the old procedure of porticos became indeed something having no other purpose than to annoy people. And these porticos first stopped being used, and now are even totally dismantled.

[Manuel]

Merci!

[Minato ku]

The line runs from Pontoise (C1), Versailles – Rive Gauche (C5) and Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines (C7) to Massy-Palaiseau (C2), Dourdan-la-Forêt (C4), Saint-Martin d'Étampes (C6) and Versailles – Chantiers (C8)

First inauguration : 1979
Length : 185.6 km (115.3 miles)
Number of stops : 84
Line C was created in 1979 by connecting the Gare d'Orsay railway terminus (now Musée d'Orsay) with the Invalides terminus of the Rive Gauche line to Versailles, along the banks of the Seine. In 1988 the Argenteuil branch opened, using most of the infrastructure of the old SNCF Auteuil line and connecting to the line's main trunk at Champ de Mars-Tour Eiffel via a curved bridge (the only one in Paris) over the Seine river.

500,000 passengers use this line everyday.


Rolling stocks
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I don't know what problem have the SNCF with the RER, but this line has to many branch and is to cheaply build to be really efficient.
It is not really a RER line for me.

[m@rco]

Originally Posted by Minato ku

I don't know what problem have the SNCF with the RER, but this line has to many branch and is to cheaply build to be really efficient.
It is not really a RER line for me.

Are you sure that everbody is aware about this ?
Please say it one more time...

Oups, you have have forgotten to bash the RER D !

[Minato ku]

Don't worry I will.
I am not the only who bash the RER C and D : geoking66, metrpolitan...

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You know Minato, I used to bash a lot the RER C and D, especially because I find these lines amazingly confusing as soon as you have to use one of the many branches, and also because their frequency is not always very satisfying.
Now I am not a regular user of these lines since I live and work in central Paris, where only the lines A and B are really useful for a "stricto sensu" Parisian. And since then, I have met a lot of people commuting on these lines, who told me they were actually more satisfied with their commuting on the RER C and D than the RER B for instance. A lot of people in my office live in the south western suburbs (Versailles, Plaisir, etc.) and are quite happy with the RER C, as long as they know the trains schedule: they always get a seat, it's on time, safe and relatively clean...