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Old February 22nd, 2009, 05:05 PM   #421
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But they do say Parisians protect French culture the most aggressively...
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 08:01 PM   #422
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Personally, I think it's a typical French thing, they see transverse seating as "their thing", just like side platforms and feel the need to keep it no matter how stupid or illogical it is. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Well, I'm not fully convinced personally longitudinal seating is necessarily so much better than transversal seating. But that's just me. I've already discussed about this with Minato Ku and he doesn't understand my point of view.

Those longitudinal seatings generally cannot be lifted up. As a result, in an overcrowded trains, there are still people being sit down, but with people standing up right in their faces. The legs are intertwinning making the position really uncomfortable. This happens everyday on the metro line 1 during rush hour.

Second point. On single-deck RER A trains, 2 series of 4 seats have already been removed at each door in order to make the standing up space wider. More space is won this way than with longitudinal seating. Despite this, you still have very long loading time in Châtelet-les-Halles. You simply cannot avoid it. Even if there were no seat at all on trains, that would be this way. You simply have too many people getting out and getting in.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 09:52 PM   #423
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Well, I'm not fully convinced personally longitudinal seating is necessarily so much better than transversal seating. But that's just me. I've already discussed about this with Minato Ku and he doesn't understand my point of view.

Those longitudinal seatings generally cannot be lifted up. As a result, in an overcrowded trains, there are still people being sit down, but with people standing up right in their faces. The legs are intertwinning making the position really uncomfortable. This happens everyday on the metro line 1 during rush hour.

Second point. On single-deck RER A trains, 2 series of 4 seats have already been removed at each door in order to make the standing up space wider. More space is won this way than with longitudinal seating. Despite this, you still have very long loading time in Châtelet-les-Halles. You simply cannot avoid it. Even if there were no seat at all on trains, that would be this way. You simply have too many people getting out and getting in.
We're not really discussing passenger comfort, we're discussing the smooth movement of passengers. Longitudinal seating makes the route more difficult, especially if you're seating beside the window, you have to get past the people beside you for starters. It is even worse when double decker trains are used, i'm not too sure here, but I assume passengers are not mad keen on having stand on the stairs in case the train stops suddenly, meaning the stairs are not very economic with space...

Also, lots of passengers getting off and on sn't necessarily a bad thing, as the entering passengers have more space to cram in once the exiting passengers have got off...
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Old February 24th, 2009, 06:53 AM   #424
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Oh wow, Lyon changed their interiors!! I remember riding when they had the other seats in them. And it was always hard to get off or on a packed train. The longitudal seating must definitely be better.

I don't really like the big plastic white arm rests... They could've just cut that hulking mass in half?
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Old February 24th, 2009, 01:20 PM   #425
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There is actually only one train with longitudinal seats running in the line D but as I know the whole line should be fully equipated by 2011.
It is only a start for heavy metro in France but a start is better than nothing.

In Paris we have also train with some longitudinal seats, Here in the line 3.

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Old March 2nd, 2009, 08:29 PM   #426
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hi,

i love the RER system nice shots inhere. Is there some1 that can tell me where to find blueprints of the Z22500 or MI 2n that runs on the RER E line.
Some1 else want to build that rolling stock in Gmax for a simulator.


second shot Parc de Sceaux
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Old March 10th, 2009, 04:06 PM   #427
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2 French football fans killed by train
The Associated PressPublished: March 8, 2009

PARIS: A suburban train struck a group of football fans walking along the tracks in Paris, killing two people including a 10-year-old boy and injuring 11 others, authorities said.

Jean-Pierre Farandou, regional chief of train authority SNCF, said it appeared that the visiting Lille supporters had taken a shortcut back to their bus after Saturday night's match at the Stade de France north of the city. SNCF said the empty train was unable to stop in time.

Guillaume Pepy, head of SNCF, said the accident was "without precedent" and stressed that walking on the tracks is illegal.

"Never, never, never, for any reason, are you allowed to walk on tracks," Pepy said, calling it "extraordinarily dangerous."

Some 80 rescue workers were called to the scene. A 10-year-old boy and a 17-year-old were killed, according to the regional prefecture.

The injured were taken to three hospitals, and one of them was in critical condition, the prefecture said.

It was not immediately clear how the fans gained access to the train tracks. Transport Minister Dominique Bussereau asked a special land transport investigative unit to immediately open an inquiry. In a statement, he asked that experts also examine risks linked to major events near railroad tracks.

Thousands of fans regularly travel to the Stade de France via the suburban train line. More than 78,000 people were in the stadium Saturday night to see Lille beat defending champion Lyon 2-0.
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Old March 11th, 2009, 11:45 AM   #428
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Silly people... Shame for the loss of life, but it's hard to find sympathy for people intentionally putting their lives at risk - it's tantamount to sticking your fingers in the electrical socket and not expecting a shock.
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Old March 11th, 2009, 11:28 PM   #429
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Porte Maillot

The connection between the metro, RER and the Convention center shopping mall is quite nice.
The RER station is less , to not say ugly and dark.





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Old March 12th, 2009, 09:11 PM   #430
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Just a question: why there isn't a direct link between A and C RER lines?
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Old March 13th, 2009, 07:59 PM   #431
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Just a question: why there isn't a direct link between A and C RER lines?
RER A had opened in the 1970's.

And the branch of RER C to Pontoise didn't exist at this time : it opened later, in 1988.

So during the works for RER A, there were no need of connection between those two lines.
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Old March 17th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #432
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Old March 20th, 2009, 11:32 PM   #433
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It should extented to La Defense, Nanterre folie in a new tunnel and to Mantes La Jolie with old tracks.
When this extension to mantes-la-jolie will open?
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Old March 21st, 2009, 01:32 AM   #434
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Line E heads west again
17 Mar 2009
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FRANCE: The proposed extension of Paris RER Line E into the western suburbs is back on the cards, after Ile-de-France transport authority STIF decided to revive the project. RFF has commissioned Systra to undertake technical studies for a route serving La Défense and Mantes-la-Jolie.

When the EOLE (Est-Ouest Liaison Express) project was launched in the 1980s, the intention was to connect up SNCF’s suburban services from the termini at Paris Est and Saint-Lazare. The first stage of Line E was completed in July 1999, when Est suburban services were diverted through a 1·7 km tunnel to a temporary terminus at Haussmann Saint-Lazare.

And there things remained. No work was started on the second phase, which was originally expected to open in 2006. This would have joined the Saint-Lazare suburban network at Batignolles, just beyond Pont Cardinet. From here services were intended to run to Versailles on the north-south line through La Défense.

The original route has now been dropped in favour of a direct tunnel from Haussmann to La Défense via Porte Maillot, paralleling Line A. The pioneering RER line is now handling more than 1 million passengers/day, with flows of 55 000 passengers/h at peak times leading to severe overcrowding. With further office developments planned around La Défense over the next few years, STIF is concerned that Line A simply will not be able to cope.

West of La Défense, Line E services are envisaged as taking over the Line A branch from Nanterre to Sartrouville and Poissy, continuing over an upgraded SNCF route along the Seine valley to Mantes-la-Jolie. La Défense – Mantes would have eight trains/h, with a 35 min journey time. Line A would continue to serve Cergy-Pontoise and St-Germain-en-Laye, but having two branches instead of three would allow higher frequencies to both destinations.

With Systra expected to complete its work this year, STIF plans to launch public consultation in 2010. Construction would begin in 2012, with the Line E extension opening around 2018.

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mantes-la-jolie is now conected by the transilien from st. lazare and montparnasse. Those two conections should enought?
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mantes-la-jolie is now conected by the transilien from st. lazare and montparnasse. Those two conections should enought?
The transilien to St Lazare will be remplaced by the RER.
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Paris announces MI09 double-deck EMU order
09 Apr 2009
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FRANCE: Paris transport operator RATP announced on April 8 that it is to place a €917m order for 60 MI09 five-car double-deck EMUs with a consortium of Alstom and Bombardier. The EMUs will replace MI84 single-deck rolling stock on RER Line A, and there is an option for a further 115 units.

Alstom's share of the work is worth €640m, and includes the electrical equipment, bogies and end cars. Bombardier will produce the intermediate vehicles. The first trainset is scheduled to be delivered in December, and will enter service during 2011.

The design is based on the MI2N units supplied by the same consortium in the 1990s, but with a 'very contemporary' front end. The emphasis is on capacity and rapid passenger flows, with each car having three doors per side. The trains will be fitted with CCTV, and LCD passenger information screens.

The units will work in pairs as 10-car trains, the top speed will be 120 km/h, and the acceleration and braking performance will allow service frequencies to be increased.

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^ Nice!!! Any pictures or diagrams?? Or will it be unknown until the train presentation in december 2010??
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^ Nice!!! Any pictures or diagrams?? Or will it be unknown until the train presentation in december 2010??
It will be un update of the MI2N (current doubledecker trains on RERA), therefore, it will look almost exactly the same.
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