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Old April 26th, 2009, 06:17 AM   #441
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Can someone please explain the administration structure of public transport in Paris to me? Is RAPT (?) the highest transport authority, or is it SNCF? Do Transilien, Metro and RER all come under the control of RAPT?

Transport in Paris seems to have a lot of governing bodies.
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Old April 26th, 2009, 06:20 AM   #442
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RATP controls most of the public transport in Paris I believe, however, Transilien and parts of RER A and B and all of C, D and E are SNCF.
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Old April 26th, 2009, 09:01 AM   #443
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Are the two companies both part of the Government, or are they privately run?

It reminds me of Melbourne in the 90's, when the train system was run by two private companies in order to introduce competition to the market. Is that why RAPT and SNCF are both controlling what is really the same thing?
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Old April 26th, 2009, 09:32 AM   #444
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RATP and SNCF are both public firms. SNCF controls trains in France and RATP controls urban transports in Paris. But these two companies are not the ones which decide to construct new lines and own them (STIF in Ile de France région, SYTRAL in Lyon, RTM in Marseille, Tisseo in Toulouse, etc.), they just operate network.

RER are trains, but since RER A and B are more metro than trains, RATP can have control on them.
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Old April 26th, 2009, 09:52 AM   #445
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Can someone please explain the administration structure of public transport in Paris to me? Is RAPT (?) the highest transport authority, or is it SNCF? Do Transilien, Metro and RER all come under the control of RAPT?

Transport in Paris seems to have a lot of governing bodies.
Well :

- the STIF (Syndicat des Transport d'Ile-de-France) is the administration structure of public transport in all the region around Paris. Since july, 1st, 2005, the french state is no longer part of it.

- the two most famous firms are SNCF and RATP (RATP is a special firm for Paris and around), but there are also some others, most unknown like OPTILE.

- Transilien and most part of RER (north-west of RER A, north of RER B, and all RER C, D & E) and one tramway (T4) are SNCF, while all métro, bus, a part of RER and most tramways are RATP.
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Old May 26th, 2009, 02:58 PM   #446
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Paris announces MI09 double-deck EMU order
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FRANCE: Paris transport operator RATP announced on April 8 that it is to place a €917m order for 60 MI09 five-car double-deck EMUs with a consortium of Alstom and Bombardier. The EMUs will replace MI84 single-deck rolling stock on RER Line A, and there is an option for a further 115 units.

Alstom's share of the work is worth €640m, and includes the electrical equipment, bogies and end cars. Bombardier will produce the intermediate vehicles. The first trainset is scheduled to be delivered in December, and will enter service during 2011.

The design is based on the MI2N units supplied by the same consortium in the 1990s, but with a 'very contemporary' front end. The emphasis is on capacity and rapid passenger flows, with each car having three doors per side. The trains will be fitted with CCTV, and LCD passenger information screens.

The units will work in pairs as 10-car trains, the top speed will be 120 km/h, and the acceleration and braking performance will allow service frequencies to be increased.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news_v...emu_order.html

I have a question for you, could you tell me what's the difference between RER and Transilien ? and why the transilien is never considered as a CT ?
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Old May 27th, 2009, 03:46 PM   #447
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I have a question for you, could you tell me what's the difference between RER and Transilien ? and why the transilien is never considered as a CT ?
RER is so to say a part of Transilien and they share a common numbering (letter) scheme. However, in contrast to the common Translien lines, RER lines cross the inner city.
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Old May 27th, 2009, 07:26 PM   #448
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I really like that pic of the station. What's the length of platform?
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Old May 27th, 2009, 11:51 PM   #449
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The platform is about 210 metres long i think, just enough for an 8 car train.
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Old May 28th, 2009, 07:19 AM   #450
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Old June 12th, 2009, 02:00 PM   #451
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Old June 12th, 2009, 06:16 PM   #452
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This station is really new : opened in 1998 for line M14, and 2000 for RER C (the pictures you can see here).

Before 2000, the station was called "Boulevard Massena", just for RER C, 200 m further.
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Good news.

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RFF initiates Paris RER Line D upgrade 10 July 2009 Railway Gazette Int.

FRANCE: The board of Réseau Ferré de France approved a €115m investment package to start the modernisation of Paris RER Line D on July 9.

Linking Orry-la-Ville, Melun, and Malesherbes with a total route length of 160 km, Line D is currently being used by 550 000 passengers/day, which is around 20% of all traffic handled by SNCF’s Transilien business unit. Line D is the worst-performing RER route in terms of delays exceeding 5 min, which affected almost 20% of trains in 2008. Of these 2·7% were attributed to infrastructure problems.

The objective of the first phase of the modernisation is to increase train frequency on the northern section from the current 8 trains/h to 12 trains/h by December 2013, with the introduction of regular-interval timetables, and to improve on-time performance to 90%. Implementation will cost €120m, with the majority of the funding to be provided by RFF.

The programme includes improvements to signalling on the busiest section between Villeneuve-St-Georges and Villiers-le-Bel, as well as upgrading of power supplies and changes to remove operational conflicts at Corbeil. Recovery margins in the terminal layover times at Goussainville will be increased to improve reliability. A new station will be opened at Pompadour in December 2013.

Under a separate project, RFF will work towards the centralisation of operational control of the tracks used by Line D, which are currently managed from 17 different locations. This will improve traffic management and operational efficiency.

At the same meeting, the RFF board also authorised its President Hubert du Mesnil to sign a partnership agreement with STIF covering the period 2009 – 2012. The two organisations will co-operate to improve the co-ordination of infrastructure maintenance and upgrading activities and increase availability.
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Old July 17th, 2009, 06:49 PM   #454
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Personally, I think it's a typical French thing, they see transverse seating as "their thing", just like side platforms and feel the need to keep it no matter how stupid or illogical it is. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Personally I think it's just a stupid Socialist thing (people facing each other will talk to each other and all that crap; don't forget that transverse seating in the Paris Métro was adopted at the time of the Popular Front in the 1930s). In reality it is extremely incomfortable because you have to ask people to move their knees so you can sit on the two spots next to the window (which is why these seats next to the windows are often empty, even when the metro is crowded, because many people feel too embarassed to "disturb" the people already sitted on the aisle side), and people don't even talk with each other (in fact they try to avoid the eyes of the person sitting in front of them), not to mention that there is not enough space for the knees. To me it reeks of Socialist ideology from policy makers who probably never use public transportation themselves.
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Now that's a good point Brisavoine, never thought about that before.
How about side platforms though? Socialist thinking?
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Good news for the RER D but it is far to be enouth, they should build a second tunnel between Chatelet les Halles and Gare du Nord, because actually the RER B and D share track in this section.

Other good new the heavy renovation of Chatelet les Halles.

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Old July 18th, 2009, 11:14 PM   #457
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In Rueil Malmaison platform in direction of Boissy (via La Defense and inner Paris)

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Inside a MI84 because the MS61 had a mechanical problem.


A MS61 going to Saint Germain en Laye arriving in the oposite platforms
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Old July 19th, 2009, 02:29 AM   #458
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How about side platforms though? Socialist thinking?
I don't understand what people here mean by "side platform". Aren't platforms always on the side? I've never seen a train being unloaded by the roof or by the floor so far. Lol.
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they shgould build a second tunnel between Chatelet les Halles and Gare du Nord, because actually the RER B and D share track in this section.
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I don't understand what people here mean by "side platform". Aren't platforms always on the side? I've never seen a train being unloaded by the roof or by the floor so far. Lol.
They mean the platforms (on a 2 or more track line) are located on the outside of the tracks. By comparision an island platform would have the platform located between the 2 tracks.
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